Deconstructing MMA Myths... [Part 23] - Cross-Trainin´ in MMA´s 'Dark Ages'...

[Mr.Burns]

how many NHB fights?

Who Bruce Lee? He has no record to speak of. But if you are asking - say if Khabib fought him 100 times? How many times he would beat him? If that is what you are asking. Sorry, I am not sure I quite got it.

 

[gono btw]

Who Bruce Lee? He has no record to speak of. But if you are asking - say if Khabib fought him 100 times? How many times he would beat him?

A MMArtist or a NHB/Vale Tudo competitor is/was someone who goes/went inside the ring under specific rules.

It is what it is.

 

[tenniswhiz]

Iz normal.

Carlson was from the ol´school... Believed in 'clans'...and traitors ('creontes')...

After his draw against [Luta Livre] Ivan Gomes, he became friends with him, and they started to cross-train together, but under 1 condition: Ivan would never challenge him again.

Check the different 'ideologies' between different BJJ branches > the 1954 Challenge between Oswaldo Fadda´s students vs [Helio] Gracie BJJ´s students,
See the Horion/Baturin episode...
See Helson´s comments after Hoyce´s loss vs Hughes...

It’s still not right (IMO) to train a guy to fight against the man who gave you your black belt.

Maybe Pederneiras didn’t have control over the situation; Lewis was already his student and may have made the decision to accept this fight without Pederneiras’s approval.
I have no idea, just saying that this is possible.

 

[Benedict XVI]

FRAT

 

[acannxr]

Interesting read @gono btw but finding a few exceptional cases doesn't make it the rule for everyone else. The beginning of cross training martial arts certainly predates the modern era, but that doesn't mean that the previous eras weren't one dimensional.

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your premise, but either way I enjoyed the post .

 

[gono btw]

Interesting read @gono btw but finding a few exceptional cases doesn't make it the rule for everyone else. The beginning of cross training martial arts certainly predates the modern era, but that doesn't mean that the previous eras weren't one dimensional.

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your premise, but either way I enjoyed the post .

I´ve been addin´ other cases through the thread (see pages 2 & 3), gonna post more info, fights and gifs of relevant technical sequences...

Im actually convinced that the previous eras werent [that] one-dimensional, but it has to be showcased inside the ring/cage.

 

[gono btw]

It’s still not right (IMO) to train a guy to fight against the man who gave you your black belt.

Maybe Pederneiras didn’t have control over the situation; Lewis was already his student and may have made the decision to accept this fight without Pederneiras’s approval.
I have no idea, just saying that this is possible.

Agreed.

This stance was legit back in the days.

In time, the fight itself:

 

[HHJ]

I wonder at what point,that Capoeira became accepted in the jiujitsu schools. I know Waldemar Santana trained both but thats not the same.

 

[gono btw]

I wonder at what point,that Capoeira became accepted in the jiujitsu schools. I know Waldemar Santana trained both but thats not the same.

Was the original rivalry..

Waldemar trained capoeira too coz he was black, was adopted by them Gracies but wasnt really part of the family...

When Mestre Hulk defeated Amaury Bitetti, the BJJ crew tried to contest the victory in the ring (they had already written Bitteti´s name on the trophy), but Helio was the one who acknowledged the Capoeirista´s win...

 

[Klaavical]

How does one get 7000 posts in 9 months?

Wow this is like the opposite of me

 

[gato sin techo]

I was going to post like who the fuck believes people trained 1 thing for an "everything goes" or a mixed martial arts bout, but from the posts I get where you're coming from lol

 

[gono btw]

Japanese Scene:

> Gono:

 

[HHJ]

Theres not enough gifs of gono on the net. Hes a very Gifable person.

 

[gono btw]

Theres not enough gifs of gono on the net. Hes a very Gifable person.

Damn, I was real...

Spoiler

 

[gono btw]

American Scene :

> Guy Mezger :



In his 7th Pancrase fight, 1 year after havin´ transitionned to MMA (!), pulled no less than 2 kneebars against Gregory Smit [Pancrase - Truth 1, 1996] :

 

[gono btw]

> American Scene:

Da Croatian 'Sedation' :



View attachment 506821

 

[gono btw]

> American Scene:

Vernon 'Tiger' White.

Tiger had a background in TKD.
He then joined Pancrase Org., where he had to learn the ground game, like all the pure strikers who went there.
Joined the Lion´s Den Team, and progressively refined his ground game (see his defensive grappling against SAKU G. in Pride, and his leglocks game here, as a striker...).
Underrated.

 

[gono btw]

> Dutch scene:

Allistair 'Reem':

 

[gono btw]

> Brazilian Vale Tudo scene:

Pedro Hizzo:

MT/KB background, he then worked on his ground game under Marco Huas, Luta Livre style.

 

[gono btw]

> Brazilian Vale Tudo scene:

Babalu:

Evolution of his skill set [1980s-90s]:

Judo [yellow belt] > 'Thai Boxin´' [was then a mix in Rio de Janeiro: Boxe + TKD + Capoeira] > Luta Livre [Roberto Leitão] > Freestyle Wrasslin´ [Brazilian National Team / influence of Leo Moraes, Cuban Wrassler] > BJJ [Gracie Barra]

Note: 1st steps in BJJ b4 Gracie Barra > with Tata, Roberto Traven, Castelo Branco.

Spoiler: Fights