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Today:[JMMA & USA MMA Scenes]
MYTH: Fighter X´s loss/win was a fluke.
CASE STUDIES :
> Mousasi "fluke" win via upkick vs Jacaré
> Mousasi "fluke" loss via spinnin´ kick vs Uriah Hall
A fluke can only be related to 2 types of 'abnornal' situation:
> The defeated fighter was not his nornal self [see the Marco Huas vs Otsuka situation > pain killers]
> The winner used a technique that normally doesnt belong to his arsenal
[tricky argument since a fighter can evolve > see, for instance, Yvel pulling unexpected armbars vs Valentijn Overeem or Tariel Bitsadze...].
Thus, a fluke would be something like Uriah Hall going for a flying scissor heel hook [note: Hall did pull a heel hook @ Ring of Combat 39] or Demian Maia landing a cartwheel kick.
But the truth is...Mousasi and Hall do train these moves, and they are indeed part of their offensive arsenal:
HALL:
@ 10mn45 : [Bellator 11]
@ 17mn10 : [Ring of Combat 41]:
Note: Hall doesnt spam these spinnin´ shits a la Shlemenko, it´s just part of his [selective] offensive arsenal, but indeed an uneasy technique...
MOUSASI:
Mousasi, along with Goes & Hansen, is for sure the best at usin´this technique, historically.
> Against...Me, Myself, and I: [@ Pride: Bushido 12]
> See some of Mousasi´s tricks from Guard: [Dream 6]
@ 3mn:
Now, in the same fight, see the same [legit] technical upkick:
@ 4mn
On a side note, Mousasi almost got Jardine too, in SF (illegal upkick then).:
@ 3mn54:
vs Machida too (illegal upkick tho...) > See Gifs Page 3.
Now, one could argue that, for instance, Mousasi would beat Hall 9/10.
But that doesnt take away from the 1st fight:
Each fight is a different situation, with a different preparation/state of mind/gameplan.
And Hall, even though he´s pretty inconsistent, is indeed a dangerous opponent for any MW in the game.
Claimin´that Hall´s win was 'flukey' would be like sayin´ that Mousasi only got the win via upkick against Jacaré coz Jacaré was divin´ into his guard...
It was part of the technical sequence, in both cases.
The mistake here is to oversimplify the whole technical sequence, focussin´ solely on the final part, which is essentially the least important one.
Technically, Moose fell into a...trap.
But the whole technical sequence didnt start with him duckin´ and receivin´the blow.
Let´s...'deconstruct' this whole sequence...
Three moments here, essentially:
1/ Offensive Moose: [Moose closin´the distance]
Moose´s obvious gameplan was to pressure Hall, but he did it somehow 'recklessly'.
Closin´the distance, he was flat footed, much too heavy on his lead leg, which put him within his opponent´s reach and thus limited his defensive options.
Moose actually subestimated Hall´s explosiveness & quickness, he thought he could anticipate Hall´s spinnin´back shits while closin´the distance...
But, Hall was not:
> Against the fence.
> Backpedalin´.
He was atcually resettin´his offense.
To his credit, that was the very beginnin´of Rd 2, the 1st 5 sec., Moose was possibly slowly re-focussin´...
Now, check the adjustments he made in the 2nd fight :
His footwork is completely different, literally bouncin´in & out, no longer heavy on the lead leg, much more reactive, still pressurin´ but much more cautious.
His defensive options are no longer limited, limitin´ the risks when closin´the distance (but Hall´s so quick that he could still catch him... Still, the damage was more limited, since Moose wasnt 'divin´' in his blow...jus´ like Jacaré was divin´in his guard when he got surprised by the upkick...)
The truth is...Moose duckin´ was not the cause for his loss in that technical sequence, but rather the consequence.
His [deficient] footwork was the main cause.
2/ Defensive Moose : [Moose in the 'trap']
The narrative based on 'Moose losin´ because duckin´ fails to consider one pretty basic question:
Why did Moose duck?
Once Moose fell into the 'trap', he quickly understood [consciously or instinctively] that he no longer had the momemtum, offensively speakin´.
A true professional, he probably studied his opponent´s tendencies & go-to-moves (Moose is such a crafty veteran that I cant really imagine him lookin´past Hall and takin´him lightly, tbh).
3 defensive options were on the table then, all related to Hall´s [potential] go-to-moves:
> Spinnin´back kick to the body:
> Spinnin´ back kick to the head
> Wheel kick [to the head]
If ya have a deep look at Moose´s defensive stance, ya can see that he clearly opted to defend the head, his guard´s high, not really anticipatin´a body kick.
Consequently, what made Moose duck had lil to do with bad luck.
On the contrary, it was a rational choice: he ducked coz he was anticipatin´one of Hall´s probable go-2-moves.
Rememberin´here the definition provided by the other poster:
fluke as "the result of chance instead of skill or planning".
It´s hardly the case here, since Moose clearly ducked because of Hall´s skill [set], since he was limited in his defensive options.
3/ Counter-offensive Hall:
Even if we pretend that the duckin´never happened, Moose had limited time to protect his body (pay attention to his guard & elbows), considerin´Hall´s explosiveness and quickness.
Even in the 2nd fight where he was much more focussed & better prepared, Hall still connected with a spinnin´back kick to the body, and barely missed one to the head [see gifs above]
Hence, if Moose hadnt ducked, he would have eaten the spinnin´kick in the body, and thus potentially received some legit damage [see...Hall himself in the followin´sparrin´session...]
MYTH: Fighter X´s loss/win was a fluke.
CASE STUDIES :
> Mousasi "fluke" win via upkick vs Jacaré
> Mousasi "fluke" loss via spinnin´ kick vs Uriah Hall
A fluke can only be related to 2 types of 'abnornal' situation:
> The defeated fighter was not his nornal self [see the Marco Huas vs Otsuka situation > pain killers]
> The winner used a technique that normally doesnt belong to his arsenal
[tricky argument since a fighter can evolve > see, for instance, Yvel pulling unexpected armbars vs Valentijn Overeem or Tariel Bitsadze...].
Thus, a fluke would be something like Uriah Hall going for a flying scissor heel hook [note: Hall did pull a heel hook @ Ring of Combat 39] or Demian Maia landing a cartwheel kick.
But the truth is...Mousasi and Hall do train these moves, and they are indeed part of their offensive arsenal:
HALL:
@ 10mn45 : [Bellator 11]
@ 17mn10 : [Ring of Combat 41]:
Note: Hall doesnt spam these spinnin´ shits a la Shlemenko, it´s just part of his [selective] offensive arsenal, but indeed an uneasy technique...
MOUSASI:
Mousasi, along with Goes & Hansen, is for sure the best at usin´this technique, historically.
> Against...Me, Myself, and I: [@ Pride: Bushido 12]
> See some of Mousasi´s tricks from Guard: [Dream 6]
@ 3mn:
Now, in the same fight, see the same [legit] technical upkick:
@ 4mn
On a side note, Mousasi almost got Jardine too, in SF (illegal upkick then).:
@ 3mn54:
vs Machida too (illegal upkick tho...) > See Gifs Page 3.
Now, one could argue that, for instance, Mousasi would beat Hall 9/10.
But that doesnt take away from the 1st fight:
Each fight is a different situation, with a different preparation/state of mind/gameplan.
And Hall, even though he´s pretty inconsistent, is indeed a dangerous opponent for any MW in the game.
Claimin´that Hall´s win was 'flukey' would be like sayin´ that Mousasi only got the win via upkick against Jacaré coz Jacaré was divin´ into his guard...
It was part of the technical sequence, in both cases.
The mistake here is to oversimplify the whole technical sequence, focussin´ solely on the final part, which is essentially the least important one.
Technically, Moose fell into a...trap.
But the whole technical sequence didnt start with him duckin´ and receivin´the blow.
Let´s...'deconstruct' this whole sequence...
Three moments here, essentially:
1/ Offensive Moose: [Moose closin´the distance]
Moose´s obvious gameplan was to pressure Hall, but he did it somehow 'recklessly'.
Closin´the distance, he was flat footed, much too heavy on his lead leg, which put him within his opponent´s reach and thus limited his defensive options.
Moose actually subestimated Hall´s explosiveness & quickness, he thought he could anticipate Hall´s spinnin´back shits while closin´the distance...
But, Hall was not:
> Against the fence.
> Backpedalin´.
He was atcually resettin´his offense.
To his credit, that was the very beginnin´of Rd 2, the 1st 5 sec., Moose was possibly slowly re-focussin´...
Now, check the adjustments he made in the 2nd fight :
His footwork is completely different, literally bouncin´in & out, no longer heavy on the lead leg, much more reactive, still pressurin´ but much more cautious.
His defensive options are no longer limited, limitin´ the risks when closin´the distance (but Hall´s so quick that he could still catch him... Still, the damage was more limited, since Moose wasnt 'divin´' in his blow...jus´ like Jacaré was divin´in his guard when he got surprised by the upkick...)
The truth is...Moose duckin´ was not the cause for his loss in that technical sequence, but rather the consequence.
His [deficient] footwork was the main cause.
2/ Defensive Moose : [Moose in the 'trap']
The narrative based on 'Moose losin´ because duckin´ fails to consider one pretty basic question:
Why did Moose duck?
Once Moose fell into the 'trap', he quickly understood [consciously or instinctively] that he no longer had the momemtum, offensively speakin´.
A true professional, he probably studied his opponent´s tendencies & go-to-moves (Moose is such a crafty veteran that I cant really imagine him lookin´past Hall and takin´him lightly, tbh).
3 defensive options were on the table then, all related to Hall´s [potential] go-to-moves:
> Spinnin´back kick to the body:
> Spinnin´ back kick to the head
> Wheel kick [to the head]
If ya have a deep look at Moose´s defensive stance, ya can see that he clearly opted to defend the head, his guard´s high, not really anticipatin´a body kick.
Consequently, what made Moose duck had lil to do with bad luck.
On the contrary, it was a rational choice: he ducked coz he was anticipatin´one of Hall´s probable go-2-moves.
Rememberin´here the definition provided by the other poster:
fluke as "the result of chance instead of skill or planning".
It´s hardly the case here, since Moose clearly ducked because of Hall´s skill [set], since he was limited in his defensive options.
3/ Counter-offensive Hall:
Even if we pretend that the duckin´never happened, Moose had limited time to protect his body (pay attention to his guard & elbows), considerin´Hall´s explosiveness and quickness.
Even in the 2nd fight where he was much more focussed & better prepared, Hall still connected with a spinnin´back kick to the body, and barely missed one to the head [see gifs above]
Hence, if Moose hadnt ducked, he would have eaten the spinnin´kick in the body, and thus potentially received some legit damage [see...Hall himself in the followin´sparrin´session...]
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