DDP has no chance against Khamzat right?

[swarrrm]

Dricus is going to beat him into retirement.

 

[LincolnHawk1]

My question for ddp is if Khamzat gets his back, how good is his sub defense? Thst is my biggest question by far. I don’t think Khamzat will knock him out, other heavy hitters haven’t been able to do it. Khamzat isn’t some dynamo striker like an Israel as far as technique goes. The sub game is my biggest question for ddp though as that is Khamzats bread and butter.

 

[188912345]

Burns and Usman was fine in round 3 vs him, so I think differently imo

Burns basically negated Khamzats A-game (takedowns/grappling) and he still had to go to the hospital after their fight.
Khamzat shot 0 takedowns in round 3.

Not to mention, it was at WW, the same division 3 of the former 4 MW-champs have losses in. Dricus, Strickland, and Whittaker have all been finished at WW before moving up.

I would say Khamzat and Usman both looked lackluster in round 3, but Khamzat won it due to a takedown and a lot of control time.
He also had the very legit excuse of damaging his right hand ligament in round 1.

So far we have not seen Dricus have the takedown defense of Usman or as dangerous of a guard as Burns, so there's nothing to suggest that Khamzat can't take him down in round 3 or 4 or 5 too.

 

[humdizzle]

when you analyze khamzat's resume its nowhere near as impressive as DDP

Khamzat -- tough time with Burns, tough time with Usman, Holland/Leech are pushovers for anyone decent. The whittaker fight was an injury, not really anything to do with Khamzat's skills as the choke wasn't even in

DDP - unquestionably beat izzy and strickland over multiple rounds. Steamrolled Whittaker in all facets.

 

[Russie]

Interesting fight. DDP gets out of round one the fight will be his.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

you are a dumb fuck

 

[Tweak896]

I've noticed when this fight wasn't close to being booked how many had DDP over Khamzat, then as it's coming it got quieter whether DDP would win. It's pretty funny how many arguments I've had over Khamzat since 2020.

 

[Givvee]

Hard fight for dricus stylistically, if he survives the first 2 rounds, then yes.

 

[BigNick100]

Burns basically negated Khamzats A-game (takedowns/grappling) and he still had to go to the hospital after their fight.
Khamzat shot 0 takedowns in round 3.

Not to mention, it was at WW, the same division 3 of the former 4 MW-champs have losses in. Dricus, Strickland, and Whittaker have all been finished at WW before moving up.

I would say Khamzat and Usman both looked lackluster in round 3, but Khamzat won it due to a takedown and a lot of control time.
He also had the very legit excuse of damaging his right hand ligament in round 1.

So far we have not seen Dricus have the takedown defense of Usman or as dangerous of a guard as Burns, so there's nothing to suggest that Khamzat can't take him down in round 3 or 4 or 5 too.

Khamzat didnt shoot TD' s in round 3 vs Burns because he was slowing imo.

Usman def won round 3 vs Khamzat. Two judges even give Usman round 3. If it wasn't for Khamzat getting a 10-8 in round 1, the fight would have been a split.

Over 5 rounds, I think Usman would have won that fight.

And this is Usman, who took the fight on short notice and is a 170'er who moved up to 185. Khamzat had size and weight over him.

Khamzat style is not sustainable over 5 rounds imo.

We have only seen Khamzat in round 3 twice since getting the UFC, and he lost round 3 to Usman as well. He doesn't even have a high track record of winning round 3 in the small sample size we have seen, bascially going 1-1 in round 3 in his two fights that reached there (Usman/Burns)

And round 4/5 is complete unknowns for Khamzat, so I think the latter should suggest he will slow in round 4/5 vs saying he will be fine.

 

[188912345]

Khamzat didnt shoot TD' s in round 3 vs Burns because he was slowing imo.

Usman def won round 3 vs Khamzat. Two judges even give Usman round 3. If it wasn't for Khamzat getting a 10-8 in round 1, the fight would have been a split.

Over 5 rounds, I think Usman would have won that fight.

And this is Usman, who took the fight on short notice and is a 170'er who moved up to 185. Khamzat had size and weight over him.

Khamzat style is not sustainable over 5 rounds imo.

We have only seen Khamzat in round 3 twice since getting the UFC, and he lost round 3 to Usman as well. He doesn't even have a high track record of winning round 3 in the small sample size we have seen, bascially going 1-1 in round 3 in his two fights that reached there (Usman/Burns)

And round 4/5 is complete unknowns for Khamzat, so I think the latter should suggest he will slow in round 4/5 vs saying he will be fine.

He didn't shoot in round 3 because his coaches told him to altogether avoid shooting vs Burns.

He still panic wrestled and took him down end of round 2 after getting hurt by a clean overhand.

He dragged him down in round 1 against his coaches wishes simply because he was excited, then disengaged after Burns started to threaten subs.

1 judge gave him round 3 vs Usman, all judges gave him round 3 vs Burns.
So 4/6 judges gave him round 3 on the scorecards. He has also never lost a round 1, and has a lot of 10-8s in round 1.

My point is that if he can be competitive enough even after slowing down, getting takedowns etc, there's nothing to suggest that he can't win a decision in a 5 round fight.

Now he's also a few years older and hopefully wiser, and he's no longer overtraining as severely as before, according to himself and his coaches.

He has also had about 10 months now to prepare for the 5 round title fight, to expect him to fight exactly as vs Burns would be a mistake.

Even vs Usman, he looked safer and less wild on the feet, he was never in any danger like in round 2 vs Burns.

Round 3 vs Burns, he was the one pushing forward until the end.

I think Dricus path to victory is to find a finish, which he of course is capable of, I don't see why he would be a lock to win a decision if he just survives early on.

 

[BigNick100]

He didn't shoot in round 3 because his coaches told him to altogether avoid shooting vs Burns.

He still panic wrestled and took him down end of round 2 after getting hurt by a clean overhand.

He dragged him down in round 1 against his coaches wishes simply because he was excited, then disengaged after Burns started to threaten subs.

1 judge gave him round 3 vs Usman, all judges gave him round 3 vs Burns.
So 4/6 judges gave him round 3 on the scorecards. He has also never lost a round 1, and has a lot of 10-8s in round 1.

My point is that if he can be competitive enough even after slowing down, getting takedowns etc, there's nothing to suggest that he can't win a decision in a 5 round fight.

Now he's also a few years older and hopefully wiser, and he's no longer overtraining as severely as before, according to himself and his coaches.

He has also had about 10 months now to prepare for the 5 round title fight, to expect him to fight exactly as vs Burns would be a mistake.

Even vs Usman, he looked safer and less wild on the feet, he was never in any danger like in round 2 vs Burns.

Round 3 vs Burns, he was the one pushing forward until the end.

I think Dricus path to victory is to find a finish, which he of course is capable of, I don't see why he would be a lock to win a decision if he just survives early on.

He panic wrestled because that's his bread and butter, and when things aren't going to plan, fighters revert back to what they know best, in this case Khamzat shooting td's.

Khamzat also lost round 2 on all scorecards to Burns, and 2 to Usman.

So that's like me saying in round 2's that have completed, 1/6 judges have only given him round 2's.

He also went only 4/12 in td's vs Usman, who once again a 170'er. As the fight goes longer, td's become a lot harder and esp if they're getting stuffed.

Khamzat style of going balls to the wall with fast explosive td's isn't going to change imo. He did it vs Whittaker too.

We know Dricus can fight well in round 4/5, even finishing Izzy in round 4.

It's just a complete unknown to what he will look like in round 4/5 here. On top of that Dricus is a dog in there, and will fight for all 5 rounds and won't quit on himself is the fight isn't going his way early.

I think most will say it's the other away around as Khamzat could be in trouble if he doesn't finish early.

Maybe he can bank the first 3 rounds and just needs to survive the last two. But I think its wishful thinking to think Khamzat can keep that style going across all 5 rounds imo.

 

[188912345]

He panic wrestled because that's his bread and butter, and when things aren't going to plan, fighters revert back to what they know best, in this case Khamzat shooting td's.

Khamzat also lost round 2 on all scorecards to Burns, and 2 to Usman.

So that's like me saying in round 2's that have completed, 1/6 judges have only given him round 2's.

He also went only 4/12 in td's vs Usman, who once again a 170'er. As the fight goes longer, td's become a lot harder and esp if they're getting stuffed.

Khamzat style of going balls to the wall with fast explosive td's isn't going to change imo. He did it vs Whittaker too.

We know Dricus can fight well in round 4/5, even finishing Izzy in round 4.

It's just a complete unknown to what he will look like in round 4/5 here. On top of that Dricus is a dog in there, and will fight for all 5 rounds and won't quit on himself is the fight isn't going his way early.

I think most will say it's the other away around as Khamzat could be in trouble if he doesn't finish early.

Maybe he can bank the first 3 rounds and just needs to survive the last two. But I think its wishful thinking to think Khamzat can keep that style going across all 5 rounds imo.

That his output has been higher in round 3 than 2, and that he has won more round 3's, suggests that he actually can catch a second wind and get back into the fight.

Also, injuring his right hand ligament vs Usman end of round 1 surely wasn't to his benefit, either with the striking or wrestling.
I'm taking a huge leap of faith here by assuming that he would have performed better healthy.

"Only 4 takedowns vs Usman", no one has taken him down, yet alone controlled him, that many times. Or come that close to actually submit him in recent history.

Vs Whittaker, he seemed to spend less energy while letting Rob carry his weight.
He looked more patient.

I agree that Dricus is a dog, but so is Khamzat.

He has overcome adversity the two times he has been taken to deep waters.

Also, he hasn't had a fight yet where he didn't finish or dominate his opponent in round 1.
That's a pretty insane stat.

I guess we will know soon enough if Dricus has the submission defense and takedown defense to take it into the later rounds, can't wait =).

 

[MMAFanCal]

My question for ddp is if Khamzat gets his back, how good is his sub defense? Thst is my biggest question by far. I don’t think Khamzat will knock him out, other heavy hitters haven’t been able to do it. Khamzat isn’t some dynamo striker like an Israel as far as technique goes. The sub game is my biggest question for ddp though as that is Khamzats bread and butter.

Dricus is very hard to submit. That is a known fact as he has never been submitted in the UFC. Even the one sub he did end up sleeping to, was when he was a 170 lbs fighter and was winning the fight until he screwed up getting caught in a guillotine. Ended up not tapping and went to sleep.

Now, that he fights much heavier and has added a lot more muscle (approx. 215 lbs fight night), he has a big, thick neck/traps, which makes it very difficult to knockout and to submit via choke. He has been in trouble before from the back on the ground several times and had no issues defending himself on the ground and getting back up.

 

[don't ask]

I predict DDP will win.

 

[BigNick100]

That his output has been higher in round 3 than 2, and that he has won more round 3's, suggests that he actually can catch a second wind and get back into the fight.

Also, injuring his right hand ligament vs Usman end of round 1 surely wasn't to his benefit, either with the striking or wrestling.
I'm taking a huge leap of faith here by assuming that he would have performed better healthy.

"Only 4 takedowns vs Usman", no one has taken him down, yet alone controlled him, that many times. Or come that close to actually submit him in recent history.

Vs Whittaker, he seemed to spend less energy while letting Rob carry his weight.
He looked more patient.

I agree that Dricus is a dog, but so is Khamzat.

He has overcome adversity the two times he has been taken to deep waters.

Also, he hasn't had a fight yet where he didn't finish or dominate his opponent in round 1.
That's a pretty insane stat.

I guess we will know soon enough if Dricus has the submission defense and takedown defense to take it into the later rounds, can't wait =).

Ya it depends on how you view it.

To me he clearly lost round 3 to Usman. If you add up Usman was a 170 and on short notice, that's not the best look.

Usman does have good tdd so good counter point but still went 4/12 vs a 170'er on short notice.

Both are dogs I agree, it's just we haven't really seen Khamzat be the nail yet. He is always the hammer, and taking most opponents out quickly.

I think we both made some good points and there is no right or wrong, just more how you look at things differently than someone else.

All in all good talks back and forth with no lashing out with "you don't know shit" talk that goes on sherdog with back and forth between people most the time lol.

and yes we shall see soon who the best man is.

I'm a bettor so I'll have some money on the DP, either pre bet or will wait to see how round goes then potentially live bet Dricus if it goes past round 1.

 

[flektarn]

DDP has some good coaches / planning. He's game planned very well for each of his opponents every time. Look what he did to Izzy, Sean, Rob. He also has the physicality to not get drowned by Khamzat's first round wrestling. After that, Kham's striking is pretty dogshit and DDP walks away with this one.

 

[muaythaibeast]

Dricus always has no chance against opponent until he destroys his opponent. Suddenly, narrative changes and the opponent is no longer that good or is seriously compromised. I also hear the phrase 'I will never underestimate Dricus ever again', but when the next fight gets announced, it is back to square one. I think that is the surprising part. When Dricus has not fought someone, that person is usually propped up and elevated to the level that, it is going to be someone to beat Dricus next. Once Dricus beats that person, that opponent becomes a bum and not-so-good, or past prime or someone who could easily be beaten by Dricus' next opponent hilarious.

Here is the pattern for Dricus recent opponents:

Trevin Giles - Narrative was, Trevin has way too much experience for someone like Dricus. Once Dricus knocked out Trevin, he was no longer elite and no longer the big obstacle

Robert Whittaker - Dricus accepted the fight on less than 1 month notice. Without preparation. The narrative was that Dricus was 'not smart' and was making a foolish move by suddenly jumping to that level and was going to get destroyed by Whittaker especially with Dricus having no preparation for that level of competition. Once Dricus destroyed Whittaker with less than 1 month of preparation, Whittaker was no longer that good and suddenly being deemed someone with too many miles on him.

Sean Strickland - He was coming off a huge win against Adesanya. The best striker in MMA. Strickland winning against Adesanya, made Dricus an underdog because everyone thought Strickland was too technical, too precise and too methodological for Dricus' chaotic fighting style to overcome. Once Dricus beat Strickland, the narrative change to 'hey he just teeps and jabs in all his fights'. In the rematch, Dricus beat Strickland at his own game when everyone thoguth Dricus was going to come in with a grappling heavy approach in order to avoid the damage to his eye with those jobs. Dricus stood there and completely outclassed Strickland at his own game.


Adesanya - Coming into the fight, I remember reading the threads how Dricus had no chance against Adesanya because he was the best striker in MMA and his TDD was impeccable. He had knocked out Poatan and been the champion for a long time. Adesanya himself said he was bringing his best version into the fight and he did. Dricus kncoks him down and submits him and then suddenly Adesanya is no longer that much of a threat for someone who is not a pure striker.

All in all, the story keeps repeating itself. People apparently every time love to underestimate Dricus. Suddenly, all of the best people Dricus beat, are lazy bums who Khamzat could beat magically. Fact is. Dricus is far more battle tested for 5 rounds and being the champion, defended his belt several times. That mindset that comes with it, is completely different than what one could evaluate on paper.

100% agreed, the guy is crazy underrated. He may already be the best middleweight of all time given Silva's history of PED use, but people act like he's a gatekeeper.

 

[TheNewGame]

He also had the very legit excuse of damaging his right hand ligament in round 1.

Since it required surgery, that meant it was a grade 3 (complete tear), which is said to feel just like a broken hand. Khamzat even said in a post fight interview that he believes he broke his right hand near the end of the 1st round.

Volkanovski said having a broken hand during a fight effects wrestling even more than striking if you're only throwing jabs without much power.

 

[TheNewGame]

100% agreed, the guy is crazy underrated. He may already be the best middleweight of all time given Silva's history of PED use, but people act like he's a gatekeeper.

Basically going 1-0-1 with Sean Strickland, and beating past prime Brunson, Izzy and Whittaker makes you GOAT MW. Haters will say otherwise.

 

[Streeter]

Khaz is great but if he doesn't beat him rd 1 Dricus likely finishes him by tbe end of 3