Discussion in 'The Lightweights' started by AndrewFiedelman, Aug 12, 2019.
Lol. You got skills buddeh.
1: we were talking about firemen.
SLoppy job trying to change to policemen, but even then, YOU wouldn't jump in if someone was robbing a bank. I am pretty sure that those guys would.
So please spare me with your hate for the police.
When you ass gets robbed, I want to see if you dial 911 or if you would just let it be. And THAT is a clear way to expose your hypocrisy.
He doesn’t have to constantly say he’s a fire fighter. He mentioned it once and people kept repeating it. On the other hand you have dc who brags about coaching kids wrestling team(it’s a good thing to do but you don’t have to yell it every chance you get) and at a press conference in front of everyone started stating a list of Jon Jones problems and told people that they aren’t entitled to their own opinions and that they shouldn’t be booing him and cheering Jon.
the job is little different than being a soldier, except solders are essentially free heros and dont get paid large sums of money by being in a big and powerful state union.
The job is literally for privileged folks that won the lottery. I find it a bit ridiculous that people over glorify that position and at the same time, shit on cops. Cops are essentially firefighters that did NOT get the position because they have shit for luck. I knew volunteer firefighters, and the reason they did it was in hopes of becoming a real PAID firefighter. It's a low skilled job with high pay, people line up for it. Not really salty, just calling a spade a spade. It's like calling porn stars hookers..... it's no different, and if one is legal, the other should be as well.
is it really all that heroic if the risk is low and the pay is really high?
Remember towel gate? Remember low TS and remember the blatant eye pokes? Son, I think you learned your morals from the wrong sources!
It seems like he just condemns the bad officers which are ramped totally understandable. Cops who use girls criminal records to get blow jobs deserve to have their shit chopped off and thrown in prison.
I don't disagree with it. But I wouldn't throw away the whole class because of it.
And that is exactly what he attempted to do, to discredit Miocic being a volunteer firefighter.
So Not only he was dishonest trying to link it to discredit Miocic, it also does not make Miocic any worse than DC, who is not even a volunteer floor sweeper.
the fact that they let women that cant perform basic tasks do the job..... forever tarnished. if my house is burning, I expect a francis ngannou lookalike carrying my ass out the house rather than shevchenko. There's been similar studies on this topic by the marines..... basically, they perform at lower levels, and that's a fact. Men's size and cardio were too much for women to overcome. FDNY had issue with a female firefighter in the past, couldnt pass the basic physical exam, and still got in.
Are you retarded? How many times to i gotta say "THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOOD COPS!" if you cant even register that your a brain dead Binary F'er whose beyond my help. Been robbed at gunpoint, same perp shot a rookie cop on the scene at point blank range. Cop lived and was a good dude -we both testifed against him cause he shot somebody else too. Would I jump in a Bank Robbery? No. Unless I was armed that day and had a clear opportunity. I did tackle a guy who punched a lady and took her purse at a train station -sat on him till cops arrived. Also tackled and choked out a drunk cowboy who came in a diner at midnight all drunk after he punched the little Black chef in the face for no reason. Also i worked Law Enforcement as contracted by Homeland Security in The Virgin Islands when Al Qaeda was a threat because it was seen as easily penetrated American territory. Got to know alotta Feds, Marshalls,FBI etc as well as the local force
So no im not a hero, but ill handle sh*t best i can, just not heedlessly.
LOL yeah, you are a typical humble hero.
But not very smart.
We are talking about Miocic being a volunteer FIREFIGHTER.
You brought policemen and how there are bad cops. And your point was just a dishonest attempt. And I called you out on that since it was pretty clear.
There are no fucking reason to bring bad cops to the conversation unless you want to use it to discredit Miocic, which is what I pointed out that it was CLEARLY your objective.
And you fail to notice that DC is not a volunteer for ANYTHING. So how would this even register being better than a volunteer firefighter?
I made all that abundantly clear in 1st post on subject -to many its the sense of identity that drives them into fields like Policeman Firefighter - that being the higher drive then dreaming of doing the things we see as heroic. Remember, i noted the Stipe interview and nowhere in his stated drive to be a Fireman was it "To help the burning peoples!" -it was "my bros keep me sane". The bros, bro.
For someone accusing @froggyluv of using a straw man argument, you sure do bring a lot of straw men yourself.
For example, he never said anyting ITT comparing DC to Miocic that I remember, or anything bad about Miocic, but you want to keep bringing up what he "didn't address", when it was never even a part of what he was talking about.
How can you tell a man he is full of shit about Miocic's motives when he was only paraphrasing Miocic himself. Sounds like you should go tell Miocic what his real reasons are for being a firefighter since he apparently doesn't know.
Sure, his motives are probably not solely the comeradery, and i guarantee you his motives also aren't purely altruistic heroism either (nobody's motives are). He obviously enjoys the comradery and the respect. If his ego were not involved at all he wouldn't bring it up at every possible opportunity.
This response was meant for someone else?
You guys are trying to nitpick and twist like being a fireFighter should be a negative point for Miocic because "he likes his buddies".
That's not only dishonest, it shows more about your moral failures than Miocic's.
Question all you want, but when your house is on fire, you would call him in a heartbeat and be thankful for his service. That
just shows your blatant hypocrisy.
Talk about twisting. Either you are super dishonest or you just have no reading comprehension. Neither one of us ever suggested it was in any way a negative, we are just dismissing the suggestion that someone is a carte-blanche hero just for being a firefighter. I have shown no hypocrisy but you keep making accusations that you are guilty of. THAT'S hypocrisy.
I also never attacked Miocic aside from saying that he, like the rest of us, is not some altruistic hero, but is human and subject to the ego that comes with a career that respected (which I said id gladly take).
You seriously need to work on some honesty in your replies
This thing started because I noted Miocic is not a bad guy. I obserbed he has always been a good guy which including being a volunteer firefighter.
Then someone (don't recall who) said that he was ONLY a firefighter because he likes to be with his buddies and proceeded to then tell about dishonest cops he knows... like it had ANYTHING to do with Miocic.
And YOU get in the middle of the conversation still trying to demean his volunteer service like I am comparing him to the pope.
Please read the OP... (which calls him the devil).
I am merely pointing out he is a good guy, DESPITE going against another good guy in DC.
You are the one claiming I am wrong.
So please tell me how I am the one twisting anything.
I can agree with your opinions in this post, but Ive already pointed out several times you twisted things.
For example this discussion we are in started with you replying to Froggy who was merely stating that being a firefighter did not make one a hero, that sometimes they have motivations such as respect and comeradery. You then argued with him despite that he was paraphrasing Miocic himself! So it did not start the way you suggested. Perhaps that was your discussion with someone else.
Honestly I do think you have good intentions but have not been replying honestly. The OP was clearly satire, no Sherdogger in their right mind (a rarity I admit) believes Stipe is evil. However many of us think he uses the firefighter thing awfully heavy because he knows it elicits a knee jerk "hero" response. Heros don't need to constantly remind people they are one. That is suggestive of wrong motives. However as I've stated multiple times I think Stipe is a good guy, just that being a firefighter does not automatically make one a hero... or a good guy. It is a profession with its own compensation.
Yes you're right I claimed you were wrong but it wasn't so much your opinions. it was because you keep suggesting people have said things they haven't as part of your argument. Perhaps you confused him with someone else but you've done the same to me already.
OK, let us go by parts.
You argument about respect and camaraderie. I not only disagree with you, but they are illogical.
Comradery is earned in time. Ity is not something someone would join the firefighters for.
As for the respect, of course it earns respect. You fucking run into a building who is on fire to save lives! How the fuck doesn't that earn respect?
But people think that anyone would join only for that are blatant idiots! And I say that with conviction, because no matter how much "respect points" it might earn you, no one would risk their lives for that. There are plenty of other profession that could have earned respect.
Again, saving lives, putting your own life at risk to do that, it all counts as a positive.
Now, are there bad apples? Obviously! Like everywhere !!!
But I disagree with you he keeps telling people about it. It is more like the UFC keeps using it to prop him. And why the fuck not?
And reporters keep bringing it up and asking him about it... again, why the fuck not? It is a topic that will generate views from fairweather fans.
Remember: It is something he did PRIOR to becoming a fighter. MAtter of fact, he studied to become a paramedic. So this is more of a calling than anything else!
So he did not join just so he could gain bonus points! To even insinuate this is asinine and quite frankly shameful.
To sum up: if you compare someone who volunteers versus someone who does not, there's no way volunteering becomes a negative! NONE.
So if all were equal, this should not be even a conversation!
The problem is that yet again you are arguing with things that I never said. You addressed one thing I actually pointed out and twisted/ invented a couple others, which was the whole reason I got into an argument with you to begin with when you were doing that to someone else. Im washing my hands of this discussion. Good day
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