Law DC Statehood: Manchin comes out against, says constitutional amendment needed

[NameForRent]

What the hell, have you even completed High School? I'm pretty sure the actual historical reason for the formation of the two Dakotas and Virginias was covered by the 10th grade.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/when-adding-new-states-helped-republicans/598243/

Professor of History at Boston College with a 10th grade education. Who knew?

 

[Arkain2K]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/when-adding-new-states-helped-republicans/598243/

Professor of History at Boston College with a 10th grade education. Who knew?

Nice, let's all pretend that The Atlantic would choose the most impartial and non-partisan view to push, and lo and behold, it somehow all came down to the same old boogeyman, and all other reasons presented by the actual people living in the northern and southern regions of the Dakota Territory presented as their case to not have to put up with each other no longer exists.

Since you skipped right by what the South Dakota historians had to say, try a historian from North Dakota next:

“History of North Dakota” by history professor Elwyn B. Robinson, University of North Dakota.

 

[58miles]

Progress =/= Filling up the country with enough backwards, poor foreigners to overturn the will of the native population

Filling up the country with enough backwards, poor foreigners to overturn the will of the native population? These folks would agree with that assessment:

So go ahead and lead by example, when are you gonna purchase that one way ticket back to where your ancestors came from?

 

[Wingslaught]

Filling up the country with enough backwards, poor foreigners to overturn the will of the native population? These folks would agree with that assessment:

So go ahead and lead by example, when are you gonna purchase that one way ticket back to where your ancestors came from?

This may be news to you but the U.S. is a nation like any other with borders and a native population with its own interests. If you're voting to undermine said interests, due to historical grievances or not, you're part of the problem.

 

[58miles]

This may be news to you but the U.S. is a nation like any other with borders and a native population with its own interests. If you're voting to undermine said interests, due to historical grievances or not, you're part of the problem.

Immigration doesn't undermine American interests, Republican's just believe it undermines their election interests but that's not reason enough for America to to curb immigration.

 

[PEB]

Here's the deal Republicans who take away voter rights we will leave Supreme Court alone for DC statehood or no DC statehood then Montana loses status as a state. Or what about porto rico statehood? Seems Republicans are bent on taking away voter rights to have representation.

 

[ElKarlo]

Here's the deal Republicans who take away voter rights we will leave Supreme Court alone for DC statehood or no DC statehood then Montana loses status as a state. Or what about porto rico statehood? Seems Republicans are bent on taking away voter rights to have representation.

None of those are reasonable trades. Also, the DC state thing was decided long ago enough for it to not be on the table.
PR is basically a zombie island financially wise.
So, you'll pack the courts unless the Rs cave to your crazy demands? Sorry, no, that is not OK

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Here's the deal Republicans who take away voter rights we will leave Supreme Court alone for DC statehood or no DC statehood then Montana loses status as a state. Or what about porto rico statehood? Seems Republicans are bent on taking away voter rights to have representation.

Dunno, you should post of a video of Jimmy Kimmel giving his opinion

 

[Proud American]

Immigration doesn't undermine American interests, Republican's just believe it undermines their election interests but that's not reason enough for America to to curb immigration.

Do you know Anything about Marcus Garvey?

 

[Whippy McGee]

If D.C. wants to be part of a state fine... give that shit hole back to Maryland.

Making it a state is a pure power grab and no honest American should be for it. Only an ignorant or power hungry asshole thinks this is a good idea.

 

[58miles]

If D.C. wants to be part of a state fine... give that shit hole back to Maryland.

Making it a state is a pure power grab and no honest American should be for it. Only an ignorant or power hungry asshole thinks this is a good idea.

Maryland doesn't want DC, neither does Virginia, besides Washington DC pays more in taxes overall and more in taxes per capita than most states and also has the highest per capita income of any state. If DC becomes a state it won't be a perpetual taker state like Wyoming, Kentucky ,West Virginia or Alaska.

 

[Whippy McGee]

Maryland doesn't want DC, neither does Virginia, besides Washington DC pays more in taxes overall and more in taxes per capita than most states and also has the highest per capita income of any state. If DC becomes a state it won't be a perpetual taker state like Wyoming, Kentucky ,West Virginia or Alaska.

D.C. is the biggest taker of all. It only has all the $ due to the Lobbyists, Politician, and Bureaucrat dollars that go from taxpayers to D.C. annually.

Your claim is intellectually dishonest and I am pretty sure you know that.

 

[58miles]

D.C. is the biggest taker of all. It only has all the $ due to the Lobbyists, Politician, and Bureaucrat dollars that go from taxpayers to D.C. annually.

Your claim is intellectually dishonest and I am pretty sure you know that.

My tax dollars already subsidize states like West Virginia and Alabama. How much of Americans tax dollars goes into the income of Iowa farmers? Give me a break, DC should be a state.

 

[NameForRent]

Nice, let's all pretend that The Atlantic would choose the most impartial and non-partisan view to push, and lo and behold, it somehow all came down to the same old boogeyman, and all other reasons presented by the actual people living in the northern and southern regions of the Dakota Territory presented as their case to not have to put up with each other no longer exists.

Since you skipped right by what the South Dakota historians had to say, try a historian from North Dakota next:

“History of North Dakota” by history professor Elwyn B. Robinson, University of North Dakota.

Ah, the normal response. Don't attack the message, attack the messenger as being partisian. Because lets discount a Harvard educated woman who is a Professor of history at a major university because I don't like what she's saying.

As I stated in my original post -- I don't discount your source. It does however leave out more details and context to what was happening, especially at the national level.

 

[emefer]

My tax dollars already subsidize states like West Virginia and Alabama. How much of Americans tax dollars goes into the income of Iowa farmers?.

That’s socialism

 

[ultramanhyata]

This may be news to you but the U.S. is a nation like any other with borders and a native population with its own interests. If you're voting to undermine said interests, due to historical grievances or not, you're part of the problem.

Translation: "Those depicted in that photo do not qualify as fully realized humans worthy of rights protections."

 

[nhbbear]

People are pushing for this so the dems will have more representation is my guess so they will have to add more senators and house members thus increasing their lead. I applaud manchin for his willingness to go against his party

 

[SLUG1186]

Maryland doesn't want DC, neither does Virginia, besides Washington DC pays more in taxes overall and more in taxes per capita than most states and also has the highest per capita income of any state. If DC becomes a state it won't be a perpetual taker state like Wyoming, Kentucky ,West Virginia or Alaska.

That's probably because they have the most lawyers per capita in the US at 803.28 per 10,000 residents. To put that in perspective, New York at #2 has 84.63 per 10,000. These numbers are from 2013 but doubt they have changed too much.

https://www.lawyersofdistinction.com/lawyers-by-capita-per-state/

 

[Arkain2K]

For DC, statehood isn't the only option
REP. DUSTY JOHNSON | April 29, 2021

For decades, there's been discussion about making our nation's capital city the 51st state. In 1993, the House voted on a D.C. statehood bill for the first time ever, with 277 representatives from both parties voting no. Many of those once no votes - now champion the proposal and voted in support of statehood last week. I disagree with my Democrat colleagues who support statehood for D.C., but not for the reasons some of the far left might lead you to believe.

I'm opposed to statehood, but I'm not opposed to suffrage. Let's not play coy. Many of those pushing for Washington, D.C., statehood, are largely behind it not just because they want full voting representation for D.C. residents, but they also want to expand Democratic control of the United States Senate. I'm opposed to that kind of a political power grab.

Others support statehood for a different, more legitimate reason, saying D.C. residents deserve voting representation in the U.S. House and Senate. While capital residents are represented with three Electoral College votes and a delegate in the House, they do not get representation in the Senate. I do think they lack full representation, but I don't think adding a new state is the answer.

Mostly, statehood is just impractical. D.C. is 68 square miles - that includes both land mass and water. It's 95 percent smaller than our nation's smallest state, Rhode Island. You could fit 1,130 D.C.'s inside the state of South Dakota. Let's be honest: D.C. isn't a state. It's a city.

But, there is a compromise to ensure D.C. residents have full representation in Congress.

My bill, the D.C.-Maryland Reunion Act, would merge the residential areas of D.C. with the surrounding state of Maryland - providing congressional representation to those residents without adding a 51st state. Federal buildings, namely, the Capitol, White House, as well as the National Mall area would remain the District of Columbia.

This process is called retrocession and there's precedent for it. After decades of similar discussions about disenfranchisement, district land south of the Potomac was reunited with Virginia in 1847.

The idea has gotten some pushback from politicians in favor of D.C. statehood. But if we're being honest, if this idea wasn't about power and truly focused on providing representation to voters, then those same politicians would support my bill.

Now that the House has passed D.C. statehood legislation - again - we'll see how long it collects dust in the Senate chamber. Let's reject the assertion that D.C. statehood is the only option. Congress should pursue an alternative - the DC-Maryland Reunion Act.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." So why are Democrat leaders and statehood advocates so opposed to an alternative that will achieve the end goal of representation?

Johnson represents South Dakota at-large.

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/550797-for-dc-statehood-isnt-the-only-option?amp