Opinion DC Siege is exactly what “Defund The Police” movement needed to galvanize broad support

[Sir Burton]

And it was the far right that instigated it, which I find incredible. Full disclosure — while I am not a proponent of the Defund Movement, I believe some reforms are needed.

Regardless of the actions of those brave Metro DC police who attempted to hold back the crowds, the Capitol Police showed their true colors. Even if it was “a few bad apples” as I’m sure many will argue, the video evidence is hard to ignore.

- the double standard (BLM vs Trumpers)
- letting angry tubes onto the premises

“We can’t trust you and now everyone knows why,” will ring strong in the years to come.

https://thehill.com/changing-americ...e-on-capitol-police-response-to-pro-trump?amp

 

[Long Dark Blues]

Anyone that is old enough to remember the government's domestic policy toward far-right factions in the 90s should not be surprised in the slightest that the far-right would further encourage a defund movement.

 

[DizzyKronic]

Great, another race baiting thread that will appease to the “victims”.

 

[TUFNewb]

Yep even if it was incompetence and a failure of intelligence gathering and planning... the appearance of impropriety can be as damaging as the actual act.

 

[Kandyland]

I read that the DC police guy that was killed was hit by a fire extinguisher and it wasn't even BLM that did it, it was a MAGA idiot.

Need any further reason to leave the Republican party this was it.

 

[Queen B]

There was no problem summoning the National Guard on that same day in Wisconsin to fight off Black people from protesting.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

There was no problem summoning the National Guard on that same day in Wisconsin to fight off Black people from protesting.

Agreed the government is 100% liberal now and they do nothing to stop terrorists.

 

[jrams]

The same event people mock Trump for hiding in his bunker resulted in 11 secret service to go to the hospital and 60 to be treated for injuries. Yet, even with that aggression they didn't kill anyone.

Calling the police at the Capitol going soft is a weak narrative. They were screwed by the national guard not being brought in to help and were sufficiently overrun. Even with that, they protected the lives of the people working there with one officer giving his life to do so. This idea that they were chummy with the invaders is just narrative spin to help deflect from the damage that the George Floyd riots did over the summer.

The criticism should be on the lack of preparation and not taking the threat seriously in relation to the Black Lives Matter protest last year. It shouldn't be the out numbered police not instigating shit and putting them, and others, at risk.

 

[b34stmode]

How in the world can this help defund the police movement? I’m baffled at the logic. I finally found out that the cops “ushering people around” was actually taking them down a path that was opposite of where the congress members were. Genius. They obviously had no way to stop them, so they led them away from causing danger to congress members still present inside. If anything, this supports the need to fund the police MORE with MORE training.

 

[Sir Burton]

Calling the police at the Capitol going soft is a weak narrative. They were screwed by the national guard not being brought in to help and were sufficiently overrun. Even with that, they protected the lives of the people working there with one officer giving his life to do so. This idea that they were chummy with the invaders is just narrative spin to help deflect from the damage that the George Floyd riots did over the summer.

The criticism should be on the lack of preparation and not taking the threat seriously in relation to the Black Lives Matter protest last year. It shouldn't be the out numbered police not instigating shit and putting them, and others, at risk.

I don’t think anyone is calling them “soft” but the “idea” that they were chummy isn’t an argument...it’s what happened. You saw the selfie photos and shooting the shit scenes; what would you call that beyond “chummy”?

I agree they were totally, unfairly outnumbered and we’re at a significant disadvantage without the National Guard. But to say they were not prepared...they had all of the information I did prior to the day (and for gods sake I hope a lot more). Why not bulk up with backup? Is both sides’ collective response — I didn’t think they’d (we’d) get that far?

 

[jrams]

I don’t think anyone is calling them “soft” but the “idea” that they were chummy isn’t an argument...it’s what happened. You saw the selfie photos and shooting the shit scenes; what would you call that beyond “chummy”?

I agree they were totally, unfairly outnumbered and we’re at a significant disadvantage without the National Guard. But to say they were not prepared...they had all of the information I did prior to the day (and for gods sake I hope a lot more). Why not bulk up with backup? Is both sides’ collective response — I didn’t think they’d (we’d) get that far?

Clearly chummy with the George Floyd protestors. Only 50 arrests and 2 officers sent to the hospital that night.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

The DC riots would have been over in minutes if they had only told the police to stand down and sent in the social workers.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

The DC riots would have been over in minutes if they had only told the police to stand down and sent in the social workers.

Trumpers do need social workers. Only mentally ill people would believe any of the QAnon fairy tales.

 

[Loiosh]

There was no problem summoning the National Guard on that same day in Wisconsin to fight off Black people from protesting.

There shouldn't have been this time, either. Hundreds of troops were ready to deploy but couldn't get authorization, the officer required to provide the authorization could not be located.

 

[Loiosh]

The DC riots would have been over in minutes if they had only told the police to stand down and sent in the social workers.

Imagine how bad it would have been if these people had been competent and had a just cause, instead of buffoons driven by lies from a corrupt, delusional charlatan.

 

[whaleshark]

If only Mr. Floyd was White, none of this would of happened

 

[Chest Rockwell]

The fraternal order of police voted no last week when they were asked to help raise 10plus million for lobbyists by giving up 20$ per paycheck for the next 2 years. The lobbyists were to ensure all future budget proposals would be passed in their favor.

Why give up cash out of your paycheck when you can just have something like this happen. All budgets passed now.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

The same event people mock Trump for hiding in his bunker resulted in 11 secret service to go to the hospital and 60 to be treated for injuries. Yet, even with that aggression they didn't kill anyone.

Calling the police at the Capitol going soft is a weak narrative. They were screwed by the national guard not being brought in to help and were sufficiently overrun. Even with that, they protected the lives of the people working there with one officer giving his life to do so. This idea that they were chummy with the invaders is just narrative spin to help deflect from the damage that the George Floyd riots did over the summer.

The criticism should be on the lack of preparation and not taking the threat seriously in relation to the Black Lives Matter protest last year. It shouldn't be the out numbered police not instigating shit and putting them, and others, at risk.

The capital police were in a no win situation, but it calls into question why they weren't prepared to deal with the MAGA rioters. It was no secret that they had an event there, that talks of "revolution" have been going on for the past few weeks, and all of our government's leadership were there.
Why were they prepared to deal with BLM, and not this group considering the stakes and what that groups goals were?
It goes exactly to the point that BLM have been pointing out, they see one group as more dangerous than the other and treat them accordingly, whether consciously or not.
That that many people were able to break into our capital, get onto the floors of Congress, and just casually chill in Nancy Pelosi's office is insane.

 

[dirtypablo]

You can find hundreds of examples of cops standing down and allowing blm protestors to commit crimes or taking pictures with them, and you can find videos of police smashing guys with batons during this riot. Just more propaganda to further a narrative - no real attempt at finding truth or objective thinking about why we saw what what we did. Someone above posted a perfect example - a cop leading these guys through the building was taking them away from government officials, but morons will run with the picture and say look, the cops gave them tours!

 

[Sir Burton]

Clearly chummy with the George Floyd protestors. Only 50 arrests and 2 officers sent to the hospital that night.

great point, but I’m not talking about the BLM protests. Other than the “contradiction” I said people from both sides will point out...how about that!

More than happy to talk abut them later but I steer clear of whataboutism. It’s an old Soviet propaganda tactic and it distracts from one’s argument.