DC: Jon Jones can’t be the GOAT because failed drug tests ‘eliminate you from the conversation'

I disagree,

because that invalidate GSP and Cormier from GOAT talks as both did cheat in their career.

GSP himself cheated with greasing. The GOAT talks is just an opinion and that is the fact. When we understand that we can move on about this trivial competition of who is the greatest. It is an opinion based view and some get lost in their own opinions about GOATs and this criteria which amounts to shit in a toilet bowl.

LMAO right, because you’re coach rubbing a little Vaseline in your chest in a fight that you’re already dominating is CLEARLY equivalent to being juiced to the gills for your entire career.

Body builders should hop off the roids and switch to vaseline, it’s more effective AND cheaper! Am I right?
 
Eat the pain away.

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Cormier was praising Anderson Silva as the greatest fighter we’ve seen in the octagon after he beat him...

I think a requisite to be GOAT, in Cormier’s mind, is that he has to have a win over him.
 
Jon Jone has been prooved by USADA that he never took steroids! the only illegal thing he did was beat DC on cocaine! which makes that win even more impressive!
 


Following that fight, Nurmagomedov became the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the UFC with many proclaiming his status as the new GOAT. Of course that didn’t sit well with former UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones, who scoffed at the idea that Nurmagomedov could somehow surpass him on that largely subjective list after only his third title defense.

With 14 wins in title fights, which accounts for the most in UFC history, Jones is confident pitting his resume against anybody else but former rival Daniel Cormier says there’s more to consider than just records when talking about “the greatest of all time.”

“One of the most talented guys you’ll ever meet but again for me bad [drug] tests eliminate you from the conversation,” Cormier said when speaking to MMA Fighting. “I just cannot understand how that is so hard to comprehend in a sport where we’re fighting each other. In baseball, bad tests eliminate you from being considered and being in the Hall of Fame and you’re hitting a ball. You’re hitting an object that has no feeling. In fighting, you’re punching people, human beings, and you have bad tests that eliminates you. It’s just too dangerous.

“So I think when you start to think about the greatest of all time for all the things and all the great victories, you can’t look at those, me personally being a guy that those fights did really long term damage to my career, it’s hard for me to say [Jon Jones] is the greatest of all time when every time we fought, there was some sort of issue. That for me, it just kind of changes the conversation.”

While his resume is outstanding, Jones has faced issued with drug testing in the past.

He was pulled from a fight against Cormier at UFC 200 after failing a drug test for two different banned substances — clomiphene and letrozole, which are both illegal at all times for athletes. Jones then knocked out Cormier in their rematch in 2017 but this time around he tested positive for Turinabol, an anabolic steroid, and the result of the fight was overturned to a no contest.

For his part, Cormier doesn’t quite understand why Jones constantly receives consideration as possibly the best fighter to ever compete in MMA while athletes in other sports have been largely set aside from post-career accolades under somewhat similar circumstances.

He points directly at athletes like Barry Bonds, who have essentially been blackballed from Hall of Fame consideration by Major League Baseball due to accusations surrounding performance enhancing drug use.

“You hit a baseball, the baseball has no feeling,” Cormier said. “You’re hitting it with a bat and look how they treat Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa. Look at how they treat those guys in that sport. You know what’s crazy about that, too? In baseball they treat Barry Bonds and them like that and it wasn’t even illegal. There was no rule that said those guys couldn’t take steroids and look at how they treat them. Look at how they treat them.

“Jones was having bad tests while we had USADA and people still want to place him at the top of the all time greatest list. That’s crazy. It wasn’t even illegal in baseball in the late 90’s and those guys are hitting homeruns freaking 50 yards longer than they ever have. It’s just a different sport obviously, but it just seems like the possibilities of damage are just so much more severe in mixed martial arts. For anyone, even Anderson [Silva]. Anderson was the man. Bad tests, I don’t care if it’s for viagra, it does not matter. It’s a bad test. Bad tests in a combat sport where you’re punching people, just not right. It eliminates you.”

When it comes to his own personal GOAT list, Cormier names Nurmagomedov, Georges St-Pierre and B.J. Penn as the fighters he would consider at the very top.

Perhaps the toughest part is that he truly believes that fighters like Jones could have achieved so much without ever cheating but the fact that he’s been busted multiple times already changes everything.

“It sucks, too, cause they’re so immensely talented,” Cormier said. “So talented that I don’t think any of those guys ever needed to do anything wrong and would have been clean. Like Khabib’s clean. Nobody has heard or suggested or thought that he’s done anything negatively outside of missing weight when he was on his way up. Those are the things that he is going to have to deal with in terms of negatively. Demetrious Johnson is actually completely clean. No missed weights, no failed tests, he’s just clean.

“Those are the types of guys you look at and say ‘that guy’s the greatest fighter of all-time.’”

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Following that fight, Nurmagomedov became the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the UFC with many proclaiming his status as the new GOAT. Of course that didn’t sit well with former UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones, who scoffed at the idea that Nurmagomedov could somehow surpass him on that largely subjective list after only his third title defense.

With 14 wins in title fights, which accounts for the most in UFC history, Jones is confident pitting his resume against anybody else but former rival Daniel Cormier says there’s more to consider than just records when talking about “the greatest of all time.”

“One of the most talented guys you’ll ever meet but again for me bad [drug] tests eliminate you from the conversation,” Cormier said when speaking to MMA Fighting. “I just cannot understand how that is so hard to comprehend in a sport where we’re fighting each other. In baseball, bad tests eliminate you from being considered and being in the Hall of Fame and you’re hitting a ball. You’re hitting an object that has no feeling. In fighting, you’re punching people, human beings, and you have bad tests that eliminates you. It’s just too dangerous.

“So I think when you start to think about the greatest of all time for all the things and all the great victories, you can’t look at those, me personally being a guy that those fights did really long term damage to my career, it’s hard for me to say [Jon Jones] is the greatest of all time when every time we fought, there was some sort of issue. That for me, it just kind of changes the conversation.”

While his resume is outstanding, Jones has faced issued with drug testing in the past.

He was pulled from a fight against Cormier at UFC 200 after failing a drug test for two different banned substances — clomiphene and letrozole, which are both illegal at all times for athletes. Jones then knocked out Cormier in their rematch in 2017 but this time around he tested positive for Turinabol, an anabolic steroid, and the result of the fight was overturned to a no contest.

For his part, Cormier doesn’t quite understand why Jones constantly receives consideration as possibly the best fighter to ever compete in MMA while athletes in other sports have been largely set aside from post-career accolades under somewhat similar circumstances.

He points directly at athletes like Barry Bonds, who have essentially been blackballed from Hall of Fame consideration by Major League Baseball due to accusations surrounding performance enhancing drug use.

“You hit a baseball, the baseball has no feeling,” Cormier said. “You’re hitting it with a bat and look how they treat Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa. Look at how they treat those guys in that sport. You know what’s crazy about that, too? In baseball they treat Barry Bonds and them like that and it wasn’t even illegal. There was no rule that said those guys couldn’t take steroids and look at how they treat them. Look at how they treat them.

“Jones was having bad tests while we had USADA and people still want to place him at the top of the all time greatest list. That’s crazy. It wasn’t even illegal in baseball in the late 90’s and those guys are hitting homeruns freaking 50 yards longer than they ever have. It’s just a different sport obviously, but it just seems like the possibilities of damage are just so much more severe in mixed martial arts. For anyone, even Anderson [Silva]. Anderson was the man. Bad tests, I don’t care if it’s for viagra, it does not matter. It’s a bad test. Bad tests in a combat sport where you’re punching people, just not right. It eliminates you.”

When it comes to his own personal GOAT list, Cormier names Nurmagomedov, Georges St-Pierre and B.J. Penn as the fighters he would consider at the very top.

Perhaps the toughest part is that he truly believes that fighters like Jones could have achieved so much without ever cheating but the fact that he’s been busted multiple times already changes everything.

“It sucks, too, cause they’re so immensely talented,” Cormier said. “So talented that I don’t think any of those guys ever needed to do anything wrong and would have been clean. Like Khabib’s clean. Nobody has heard or suggested or thought that he’s done anything negatively outside of missing weight when he was on his way up. Those are the things that he is going to have to deal with in terms of negatively. Demetrious Johnson is actually completely clean. No missed weights, no failed tests, he’s just clean.

“Those are the types of guys you look at and say ‘that guy’s the greatest fighter of all-time.’”

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where the lie from dc about jon jones. i guess that why jon went all diva and tweeted about dc today,.
 
"Jon Jones can't be the GOAT"

Source: The dude who got destroyed by Jones. Twice.
Source: The dude who never had to jack up on anabolic steroids to win. And lol that he got "destroyed" the first time.
 
Clean Jones lost to Santos and Reyes.
Clean Jones is nowhere near the top of the GOAT list
 
There are multiple juicehead forums where users say they have taken TBOL without PCT and recovered just fine.

What are the chances Jones get caught with PCT drugs and THEN gets caught with a drug that doesn’t necessarily need a PCT protocol?

People think that’s a coincidence?

The probability of that happening by chance is incredibly low.
 
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