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You do know the only person DC TKO'ed in the UFC was Patrick "The Barista" Cummins back in 2014 I think that was Patrick's debut fight coming straight outta Starbucks.
DC Fans: What does DC offer against Jones besides dirty boxing?
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You do know the only person DC TKO'ed in the UFC was Patrick "The Barista" Cummins back in 2014 I think that was Patrick's debut fight coming straight outta Starbucks.
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They are trying to erase that from their memories. Is normal.
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Two buckets of chicken & several donuts compared to JJ's "cola & cialis" habit.......
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Lol, how do u have jones winning?
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DC managed to take Jones down against the cage, but not in open octagon. He needs to get his cage grind on ala Cain/JDS 2.
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Wrestling and cardio, for sure. We don't know about Jones' heart though. The only adversity he has faced was an armbar from Vitor. He hasn't been dropped or seriously rocked, so we can't judge how he'd come back from that like we can Cormier.
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DC can close the distance and get clinch fucked, taken down and broke again or he can stay on the outside and get picked apart this time
Only question about this fight is HOW will Jonathan fuck him up.
*Goes 1/8 on takedowns
Lol, their first fight was 48-47 with Jon only being remotely dominant in Rd 4.
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DC is a very determined competitor. Time after time he has to show me how he wins fights because going into them i just dont know how he can
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Is this a troll post? For the small chance that it's not, there probably isn't a super dominant fighter who has shown more heart than Jones. The fights against Gus, Sonnen, Vitor and of course Cormier. DC showed good heart against Jones at the start but he was mentally broken at the end, he quit trying. Didn't even close out the final seconds(after that failed slam instead of going for the KO) untill Jones tagged him dirty. Jones is tougher mentally/has more heart for sure.
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It's not. I guess we see heart as something different. The Sonnen fight he dominated from bell to stoppage. Jones even said that he didn't feel anything but a pop until after the fight. The Gus fight he didn't get rocked badly, if at all. It was just a good back and forth fight. It's easy to have heart when you're dominating from start to finish in every fight. He didn't face any adversity against Cormier and won the fight pretty solidly. I'm not saying that Jones is a bad fighter or that he would lose to Cormier. I just said it's a factor that we haven't seen much in his game.
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Jones was more than aware that the fight was gonna be stopped if he didn't finish Sonnen before the end of the round. That was like Rocky Marciano finishing Ezzard Charles after his nose was cut open which the doctor would have stopped.
Against Gus was the first time he was in a very tough fight and he was losing up untill the third round, he was even taken down for the first time which nobody expected against a striker. So then in round 3 he's behind on every card and bloodied/taken more shots than ever, he looks up at the clock and sees time is running out and then goes all out and lands that elbow, changes the course of the fight and wins the championship rounds.
You don't even understand the concept of heart. taking a beating isn't the measure of heart. It's about overcoming adversity in any type of situation. Jones and DC were in a very brutal, grueling fight physically and especially mentally, only one man could go on longer at that pace till the end. It wasn't DC(who you think has more heart). Laughable.
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Not trolling. Not a dumbass, although you're very quick to attack someone personally for disagreeing with you. I understand plenty about heart. It's just a very subjective quality. I see it as the ability to get back up after being hurt and being in bad spots. You've stated your stance. No need to be a child.
I don't think that DC has that more heart. I just don't think we have enough from Jones to determine that. He even said that he didn't know the toe was broken until after the fight. He thought it was just a weak spot in the floor like in the cage at Greg Jackson's.
"My toe is not doing great, but I'm doing great, so my toe is doing great," Jones said. "It was somewhere near late in the round and I was springing forward and a felt a 'pop.' I thought my foot had got caught in a hole -- I've had that happen at Jackson-Winkeljohn MMA, we have a hole in our canvas. I stubbed my big toe in it, and I was fine, but I told coach that we need to get it fixed because it's pretty dangerous. I thought that was the scenario here tonight, but when the fight was over and I saw blood, then I look closer and saw that my toe was upside-down." http://www.mmamania.com/2013/4/28/4...op-ufc-159-fight-chael-sonnen-hole-newark-mma
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A functioning dick for one...
No but seriously, I'm curious how much of a hit his cardio will take with USADA. DC was competitive in the first three rounds and then Jones' superhuman cardio gave him the edge. Gus was knocking him around like a little boy until late in the fourth when Jones' superhuman cardio gave him the edge and he landed the elbow. This is not the Jones we saw early in his UFC career though. Back then Jones threw spinning shit and like a mere mortal he predictably gassed and took damage, as you would expect from a LHW that expends his energy like Jones does. Bonnar outlanded him 17-7 in significant strikes in the 3rd round. Gusmao was competitive well into the third and Jones had to take him down, visibly gassed. It wasn't until he landed at Jackson's where guys have been busted for EPO and all sort of stuff that he became a cardio freak.
And then we saw him again against OSP and again his cardio was down to human levels, allowing OSP to get back into the fight in the 5th. And OSP is not a prime example of a guy with great cardio.
So lets just wait and see. If Jones drops back to his normal self then all five rounds will be competitive. If not... he will probably win it again.
No but seriously, I'm curious how much of a hit his cardio will take with USADA. DC was competitive in the first three rounds and then Jones' superhuman cardio gave him the edge. Gus was knocking him around like a little boy until late in the fourth when Jones' superhuman cardio gave him the edge and he landed the elbow. This is not the Jones we saw early in his UFC career though. Back then Jones threw spinning shit and like a mere mortal he predictably gassed and took damage, as you would expect from a LHW that expends his energy like Jones does. Bonnar outlanded him 17-7 in significant strikes in the 3rd round. Gusmao was competitive well into the third and Jones had to take him down, visibly gassed. It wasn't until he landed at Jackson's where guys have been busted for EPO and all sort of stuff that he became a cardio freak.
And then we saw him again against OSP and again his cardio was down to human levels, allowing OSP to get back into the fight in the 5th. And OSP is not a prime example of a guy with great cardio.
So lets just wait and see. If Jones drops back to his normal self then all five rounds will be competitive. If not... he will probably win it again.
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DC didnt even make Mir go all wobbley legs. Love Mir, but he goes wobbley in like every fight.
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"I see it as the ability to get back up after being hurt and being in bad spots." Sounds like we do have the same stance on what (part of) heart means, you just refuse to see it for Jon Jones, I don't know what it is with you that you seem to think Jon Jones has been completely unbeatable and has never faced adversity. To this day there is still a large percentage of people who think he lost the Gus fight and he took enough damage from that fight to end up in the hospital for a while. You ignored my explanation of the Gus fight where he showed more heart than DC ever did. That's probably why I used insults, you're too thick headed on this.
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Nah. Just doing this while I'm at work. That and I'm particularly dense. I just didn't remember him taking a ton of damage against Gus. I remember him getting matched blow for blow, but I don't remember him getting hurt. Dude has a great chin. Probably need to watch it again. It's been a while.
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He was young, nervous, green, inexperienced which made him suffer from adrenaline dumps(a couple of facts you conveniently left out about those early fights). As he evolved and learned to deal with that his true cardio shined.
OSP lost 0-5 and was never competitive at any minute.
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DC has to fight the perfect fight to beat Jones.
For his part, Jon was literally partying on cocaine in the weeks leading up to the biggest PPV event and competitive challenge of his career, and he skated through with relative impunity.
There really isn't much doubt Jon is the better fighter and its his fight to lose. Because his personal life has a tendency to go off the rails, who knows what Jon Jones shows up.
The only place DC had success was dirty boxing in the clinch with a few nice uppercuts, but Jones also hurt DC in the clinch as well. On the outside DC was getting picked apart and we know Jon can out wrestle him without gassing. If DC clinches again he's going to gas and need a break by round 3 or 4, and he's still going to be in 50/50 exchanges there because Jon both took him down in the clinch and landed good shots.
DC is one of the best fighters of his generation, a freak athlete and impossibly tough. He is the definition of a competitor. So writing him off is a mistake. That said, Jones is better just about everywhere.
For his part, Jon was literally partying on cocaine in the weeks leading up to the biggest PPV event and competitive challenge of his career, and he skated through with relative impunity.
There really isn't much doubt Jon is the better fighter and its his fight to lose. Because his personal life has a tendency to go off the rails, who knows what Jon Jones shows up.
The only place DC had success was dirty boxing in the clinch with a few nice uppercuts, but Jones also hurt DC in the clinch as well. On the outside DC was getting picked apart and we know Jon can out wrestle him without gassing. If DC clinches again he's going to gas and need a break by round 3 or 4, and he's still going to be in 50/50 exchanges there because Jon both took him down in the clinch and landed good shots.
DC is one of the best fighters of his generation, a freak athlete and impossibly tough. He is the definition of a competitor. So writing him off is a mistake. That said, Jones is better just about everywhere.
