Dave Tate on raw vs equipped lifting

Discussion in 'Strength & Conditioning Discussion' started by Deleted member 130905, May 28, 2008.

  1. Saw this on bodybuilding.com. Not sure how old it is so I hope no body has read it..

    Originally Posted by Dave Tate

    So what is your carry over?

    This seems to be the question of the decade. What can you do RAW? I am asked this just about once a week. I am sure there are many of you who are reading this that know exactly what I mean. Will this ever end?

    It is always those who have the least experience in the prone position who ask such things. They are really the ones at risk. RAW is just plain dangerous. We are in a different world then we were years ago. We have more knowledge, technique is better, strength and endurance is better optimized and the stakes are higher. going raw is just not worth the risk. I have seen the news and see the stats. It is those who go raw that are ending up seeing the doctor wondering how they put themselves in such a position. They knew better but did it anyway and now they are paying the price.

    Why can't tell wake up and see what is going on?

    Single Ply, Two ply, Triple ply, who cares? Just wear something!

    I have though long and hard on this and have come up with a few reasons why these pricks stay raw.

    1. They do not understand the issues we have to deal with.

    2. They have never had had their performance interrupted because of a hamstring cramp?

    3. They have never had to stop short because their lower back was in knots?

    4. They have never been so tight they felt like they were going to pop only to find they could have been tighter?

    5. They have never had their staying power compromised.

    Have they ever tucked as hard as they could only to find they missed the sweet spot? I don't think so.
    Do they know what it is like to push and drive as hard as you can to have a blow out and then spend the next 30 days wondering how they will deal with it? Nope! They have no idea.

    Look I know we are in the up and coming age of the Ultra this and Ultra that, Titan, Magum, Viking, Max, Trojan and whatever knight they come up with next. We have so many options. We have single, double and triple ply. You can get the in any size to fit anybody. They are meant to keep you jacked and tight and defiantly make you stronger. We have push harder and have a little more at the peak to finish strong. I will not lie. Being Anti Raw is not only safer it helps. It helps you feel better and lets you take it to the next level.

    I can't sit here and make it sound like this is all good and does not have its negatives. Years ago many records were set and they were all RAW. Were these legends better than the ones of today? This can be debated but how long did they really last. There were many that died before there prime. Sure there names will go on forever and legands like Holmes will last forever. There are many Frank, Dick, and Harry's out there that think this is all easy business. It is not as easy as it looks. First getting it on right takes skill and experience. If it is not put on right you will not get the biggest carryover. Second, they can tear you up and can actually somewhat hinder your ability to feel the stroke. But I can say this. I have personally gotten close to 30% on single ply and 50% with double. Now what does this mean in real terms.

    What this means is when I have sex and wear one condom I can actually make it for 13 stokes. My RAW max is around 10 so I am getting a 30% carry over. Now when I wear two condoms it goes right up to 15 strokes or 50%.

    Did you assume this was about Bench Shirts? Hum. Never trust you assumptions.

    Now go back and read this again. It is much funnier the second time.
     
  2. Keith Wassung

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    I respect both types of lifting, but he is full of it, a very self serving article
     
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    It's a joke, if you read the end.
     
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    I was like wtf?! Then read the ending, lol!
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  6. Keith Wassung

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    I have seen him slam non-equipped lifting in different articles

    from elite fitness----


    Over the next couple of days I was able to evaluate Dave pretty thoroughly. If you can picture a cop stopping traffic
     
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    ^^ wow thats pretty intense. I wonder if thats why he moved on to bodybuilding?

    Anyways I hope the first post was just a joke and not him really meaning it in satire.
     
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    He also sponsored the Raw Unity Meet and helped Eric Talmant put it together. He likes equipped lifting, but I've never seen him be disrespectful to anyone who isn't first disrespectful to him. He makes jokes about the raw vs equipped debate all the time.
     
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    who wears two condoms when they have sex? wtf????

    1 > 2 > 0
     
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    I'm sorry but what exactly does raw stand for? I'm assuming it's an acronym, since I see it so very often capitalized, but I can't figure out the exact words.
     
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    Real powerlifters use 2. Don't forget about the hammies.
     
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    You've never double bagged it?

    Double bag for alan sex, skanks, and to add extra time.
     
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    I would like to see a study on injury rates of raw versus equipped powerlifters. In my opinion it is pretty retarded for Tate to insinuate that geared lifting is safer by default, since just as many injuries are sustained in training as in competition and geared lifters don't train in gear 24/7. I also don't see how lifting up to a couple of hundred pounds over your raw max could be considered safer by default just because you are wearing gear that may at one time have been invented for safety reasons. If it is, he should take some time to explain why.
     
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    ... and back to start
     
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    liRting withAut EquiWment
     
  18. stewy37

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    Gotta read the whole thing...
     
  19. takeahnase

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    He's making it sound like a joke, because he thinks that the people that bitch about gear are idiots. Geared lifters always draw analogies between geared lifting and other geared activities in order to defend the evolution of their sport. Whether or not this makes sense in all cases is debateable. In particular, he is obviously insinuating (among other things) that geared lifting (and fucking) is safer, but I have yet to see evidence for increased safety with geared lifting, whereas matters are pretty clear for fucking.
     
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    Okay, I admit, that was funny.
     

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