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Media Daniel Cormier: My best version (from Jones fight 2) would never lose against Stipe Miocic
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This whole thing wouldn't be an issue had DC handled business in the second Stipe fight. All that picking him up in the air and kinda of showboating caught up with him in those later rounds when Stipe adjusted and finished him. He should've had Stipe out there by the end of round 2.
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He's right
That version of DC was levels beyond any version of Stipe. In fact, it's not even close.
His boxing was really good, especially on the inside. He was fast, dynamic and found openings on the hardest fighter in MMA to actually hit.
People need to realize that Jones DC 2 was like the modern crocop vs Fedor. That was the magnitude of fight it was. Both of those guys took the fight more seriously than they have any other opponent. Throughout his career, theres moments where Jones could just show up at a fraction of himself and win. He needed to tap into his full potential to beat DC.
When DC fought Stipe, it was a much lesser version of him and he still knocked him out / had two close rematches with him.
Jones and DC are the two most skilled fighters of all time at LHW and HW. As time goes on, people will recognize how good DC was as well.
He's one of the best fighters of all time. Stipe is good, but he's not THAT good. Most of his career was spent beating old, past prime HW's. You cannot discount his skill and accomplishments, but he does not deserve a place among the short list of all time p4p greats. He simply wasn't on that level and I mean that in the most respectful way possible.
The HW division just isn't as good as people think it is.
But recency bias is a real thing and I think a lot of people most clearly remember an older, slower, less technical and dynamic version of DC losing to Stipe.
I just watched the Jones DC 2 fight again recently. How good DC looked and performed is greatly underrated because people only remember the knockout.
That version of DC was levels beyond any version of Stipe. In fact, it's not even close.
His boxing was really good, especially on the inside. He was fast, dynamic and found openings on the hardest fighter in MMA to actually hit.
People need to realize that Jones DC 2 was like the modern crocop vs Fedor. That was the magnitude of fight it was. Both of those guys took the fight more seriously than they have any other opponent. Throughout his career, theres moments where Jones could just show up at a fraction of himself and win. He needed to tap into his full potential to beat DC.
When DC fought Stipe, it was a much lesser version of him and he still knocked him out / had two close rematches with him.
Jones and DC are the two most skilled fighters of all time at LHW and HW. As time goes on, people will recognize how good DC was as well.
He's one of the best fighters of all time. Stipe is good, but he's not THAT good. Most of his career was spent beating old, past prime HW's. You cannot discount his skill and accomplishments, but he does not deserve a place among the short list of all time p4p greats. He simply wasn't on that level and I mean that in the most respectful way possible.
The HW division just isn't as good as people think it is.
But recency bias is a real thing and I think a lot of people most clearly remember an older, slower, less technical and dynamic version of DC losing to Stipe.
I just watched the Jones DC 2 fight again recently. How good DC looked and performed is greatly underrated because people only remember the knockout.
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He's right. When you have back surgery at 40+ you can't really compete at the highest level. DC still did pretty well against Stipe.
DC imo was always a better fighter than Stipe but was too old and compromised to compete against him with all his tools
DC imo was always a better fighter than Stipe but was too old and compromised to compete against him with all his tools
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Prime/peak arguments are so dumb
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Prime when he beat Stipe
Past Prime when he lost to Stipe
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Past Prime when he lost to Stipe
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Give it a rest, DC. You just hugged it out with Stipe on your little Youtube interview and now you're back to your "but but but"s. Have you been making time during your endless yapping on camera to compile your own version of the Big Book of Excuses?
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Maybe if DC had utilized more of his eyepoke techniques he’d have never lost to Stipe. Must suck for DC to know he was always the runner up. Lost to Cael in college, Jones at 205, and couldn’t get it done in the trilogy with Stipe. Cope.
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Dc butthurt that jones is about to smash a guy who he lost to twice
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Yeah but the best version of Stipe (Ngannou 1) beats that version of Cormier.
But then you have to factor in the best version of Rickson Gracie (Jacare roll jan 28th 2004, 3:42 PM) who would absolutely maul them both as well.
But then you have to factor in the best version of Rickson Gracie (Jacare roll jan 28th 2004, 3:42 PM) who would absolutely maul them both as well.
