Daniel Cormier has been tested 67 times by USADA since 2001

Barteh said:
Armstrong passed about 500-600 much stricter tests.
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Did they even do CIR tests back then on him?

And how were those early 2000 tests more strict than current USADA? Elaborate. Certainly you have a source.
 
vcmmafan said:
And how were those early 2000 tests more strict than current USADA? Elaborate. Certainly you have a source.
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hes talking bollocks.

Armstrong only submitted to about 230 tests total across his career and very few of those were even conducted by USADA.

USADA are only able to test athletes under the US olympic program unless given permission by the testing authority for that sport so USADA actually were able to do very little testing on LA personally. USADA actually only collected 12 samples from Lance in the entire period up to 2005 (his final tour win).

heres a breakdown.

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In total Armstrong had multiple positives or dodgy values.

In the 90's, multiple samples with elevated t/e ratio's, all ignored.
In the '99 Tour Corticosteroid positives covered up with retroactive TUE's
In the '01 Tour du Suisse, an Epo positive that got downgraded to just "suspicious" in return for a sizeable donation to the UCI
In '05 retroactive testing on the 98 and 99 Tour de France samples pinpointed now fewer than 7 of Lance;s samples positive for EPO.. This was dismissed in the UCI's "Vrirjman Report", a report that happened to be co-authored by Lance's lawyers
In '09-10 variations in his Bioligical passport showing evidence of Blood Doping - Usada managed to make this one stick hence why he was stripped of results not just for '99-05 but also beyond that..



vcmmafan said:
Did they even do CIR tests back then on him?

And how were those early 2000 tests more strict than current USADA? Elaborate. Certainly you have a source.
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Im not sure what peoples obsession is with Isotope Ratio testing (the correct term is IRMS not CIR - Isotope ratio mass spectromatry).

I think its because Conte and Vada go on about them putting all their samples through IRMS (Which actually they dont - they lied about that).

IRMS is a useful tool for testing for the presence of exogenous testosterone but its far from the be all and end all of anti doping. Even then, its totally pointless to run it on every sample, you run it when the urine sample suggests that exogenous test has been used. Conte and co like to build it up as some sort of holy grail of anti doping. Its not, its a good way of testing for exogenous testosterone, thats it pretty much. its a tool, but just one of many.

And its utterly useless for detecting EPO use or Blood transfusions which were and still are, the two primary methods used by cyclists.
 
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dimspace said:
hes talking bollocks.

Armstrong only submitted to about 230 tests total across his career and very few of those were even conducted by USADA.

USADA are only able to test athletes under the US olympic program unless given permission by the testing authority for that sport so USADA actually were able to do very little testing on LA personally.

In total Armstrong had multiple positives or dodgy values.

In the 90's, multiple samples with elevated t/e ratio's, all ignored.
In the '99 Tour Corticosteroid positives covered up with retroactive TUE's
In the '01 Tour du Suisse, an Epo positive that got downgraded to just "suspicious" in return for a sizeable donation to the UCI
In '05 retroactive testing on the 98 and 99 Tour de France samples pinpointed now fewer than 7 of Lance;s samples positive for EPO.. This was dismissed in the UCI's "Vrirjman Report", a report that happened to be co-authored by Lance's lawyers
In '09-10 variations in his Bioligical passport showing evidence of Blood Doping - Usada managed to make this one stick hence why he was stripped of results not just for '99-05 but also beyond that..





Im not sure what peoples obsession is with Isotope Ratio testing (the correct term is IRMS not CIR - Isotope ratio mass spectromatry).

I think its because Conte and Vada go on about them putting all their samples through IRMS (Which actually they dont - they lied about that).

IRMS is a useful tool for testing for the presence of exogenous testosterone but its far from the be all and end all of anti doping. Even then, its totally pointless to run it on every sample, you run it when the urine sample suggests that exogenous test has been used. Conte and co like to build it up as some sort of holy grail of anti doping. Its not, its a good way of testing for exogenous testosterone, thats it pretty much. its a tool, but just one of many.

And its utterly useless for detecting EPO use or Blood transfusions which were and still are, the two primary methods used by cyclists.
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Great post
 
2015 USADA start writing history together with Conor
 
Toco said:
that's still cheating, that's the problem
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One is proven the other can only be proven if we got inside DC's mind. Again though not comparable. Not everything is created equal.
 
What’s ridiculous are those last three years. No one should be getting tested like that idc how filthy the sport was. Once a month ? Seriously ?
 
xentreos said:
What’s ridiculous are those last three years. No one should be getting tested like that idc how filthy the sport was. Once a month ? Seriously ?
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hehe yeah

take a look at floyd (two examples)
2015 (34 samples provided to usada)
2013 (28 samples provided to USADA)

holyfuck
 
Brock-B-level-Athlete said:
hehe yeah

take a look at floyd (two examples)
2015 (34 samples provided to usada)
2013 (28 samples provided to USADA)

holyfuck
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Holy shit. Like holy shit. I’d damn near want to be compensated for my time if I’m Floyd. If you gotta test somebody thirty times a year in order to be sure , you need a better test plain and simple.
 
You know what's funny.

He competed in sport for 12 years under the USADA banner right? That's only an average of 1 test every 2.4 months, in my opinion that still isn't enough.

Also, forget to mention the 7 years without any USADA right lol?

Also, some of those years he was tested like 3 or 4 times, you think that is enough to outlaw juicing? No way.
 
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