Dana's reasons for NO Fedor in UFC

[Hanri]

http://www.mma-manifesto.com/ufc-fi...ry-main/gsp-the-three-million-dollar-man.html

$3 per buy over 330,000.

Thanks.

 

[eXtv]

do you think if they were making a profit that SVSE would have sold the company??? do you think making 30 million in revenue and still not making a profit was down to any other reason than fighter pay???

they were bleeding money because of one reason FIGHTER PAY. and Fedor making 1.5 million per fight doesn't help.

Why would a company buy another company that is 'bleeding money'?

 

[Reel Box Fen**]

m-1 keep saying that, but why did he never fight for SHOWTIME after ZUFFA cut his ass????? please tell me my learned friend.

and your argument that Fedor is worth Ten million and so is Anderson (show me a credible source on either) so this shows he made the right decision is fucking pathetic.

i also like how you can't get that CBS fight out of your head, like it fucking means jack shit.

You got owned and do not deserve an intelligent reply. Go back to watching TUF and Futurama.

 

[rjmbrd]

Affliction's MMA promotion dissolved after their 3rd event folded. How do you know Fedor's contract was the one that made them fold when the reported payouts for his opponents, Sylvia and Arlovski, were much higher than his. Pinning the blame for Fedor's contract making them fall makes no sense.

And as for Strikeforce, again, I don't see the link between Fedor's contract making them fall. After the UFC bought them out and took most of their top talent (all their top talent after a while) there was just little reason for them to exist. Fedor's last fight in Strikeforce was July 2011. Strikeforce became defunct in January 2013. That's a long-ass time between Fedor's last payday from them and them folding. Your claim doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

To address what you wrote re: Strikeforce... Nobody is arguing Fedor led to the UFC deciding to fold that brand into their own after purchase. The suggestion is that Strikeforce was financially unsound, which led to it being sold off.

The partnership of Strikeforce didn't roll over because they hated making money. If you look at the numbers we know today without bias, its obvious Strikeforce was incapable of affording the deal they had made for Fedor. That includes Fedor renegotiating the terms of his contract after every fight and spending months on end out of the cage.

Personally I don't think you can peg Strikeforce being sold solely on Fedor, so much as his tremendous expense and constant renegotiating being one of many fundamental problems they had in their business model.

Re: This entire topic - the truth is somewhere in the middle. Fedor most certainly would have a greater windfall, likely 8 figures, if he finished his career in the UFC. At the same time, he still earned several million in pay before calling it quits, and he may be quite happy with that.

I do believe, its entirely likely Vadim regrets it, considering he makes a much smaller portion and he would have also tangentially benefited from the mass exposure the UFC would have brought to his only meaningful client.

 

[TatesBeauty**]

If anybody remembers it was never about the money. The UFC offered Fedor Brock Lesnar/GSP money. It was the clauses in said contract why they couldn't make a deal.

 

[The Real Pedro]

Why would a company buy another company that is 'bleeding money'?

It happens all the time. Usually the new parent company starts by trimming the fat.

 

[aker2703]

Source on Randy getting 3$ per buy. Why would this post make me weep? Only thing that is worrying me is that do you talk like that in real life? Or do you just put on an act when you are online?

because even using a contract, that even randy complained about saying Chuck was paid way more. shows Fedor making 4-5 million for just the brock fight. this blows all you arguments out of the water.

FACT: Fedor fighting in the UFC (july 2009) would have made him 2-3 times what he/M-1 made in strikeforce.

 

[Hanri]

the contract between Randy and the UFC was released during the court case. it is easy to find (try wiki)

both of you look like fucking fools... the information is out there, try to expand your fucking potato sized IQ for a change.

You do know that you cannot increase your iq by reading wikipedia? Well now you know that. Is is hard not to be a jerk? Thankfully the other guy was nice enough to give a source. Maybe he has enough confidence in himself that he doesnt need to act like a 10 year old thug.

Can you explain what iq has to do with disagreements on fighters contracts? Thats right nothing. this thread hasnt proven anything about anyones iq it has only proven that you were not raised properly.

 

[gillygilly**]

As always, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Fedor's management had grandiose expectations and nationalistic interests, and Dana had cynical doubts about Fedor's economic worth to accompany his ego-mania. The end result for fans is that we never saw Fedor fight in the UFC, and people stuck pointing fingers at each other over it.

I can't think of anything more paradigmatic of Russian-American relations, or politics in general (other than Rocky IV of course).

what nice, informative, learned, and rare post for sherdog.

cheers

 

[Scuba]

I just want to see fedor fight once in the octagon and I'll be satisfied

 

[aker2703]

You got owned and do not deserve an intelligent reply. Go back to watching TUF and Futurama.

why didn't he fight again on SHOWTIME??? didn't he have a contract with them.....


lol, you have been pwned harder than Jenna Jamieson on a porn shoot.

 

[PaulRFC53]

Fedor vs Brock at the time would have broke probably every record going.

Seeing the deal Overeem got with a PPV cut and a million dollar signing bonus I could see Fedor making a crazy amount of money for that fight.

Its just crazy to me that he got offered the biggest fight in MMA history and would probably have made anywhere between 5-10 million and they turned it down. He was an incredible fighter but you can see how deluded his fanbase truly is when they try and defend him for not taking that fight.

 

[gillygilly**]

Dana offered him a shit ton of money, but would not budge on Fedor fighting in Sambo. Fedor's people confirmed that Dana offered a shit ton, so this is not just speculation.

Fedor wouldn't budge on not fighting Sambo, and he also didn't like some other clauses that are standard in the UFC contract, like the champions clause. he liked fighting in Japan on NYE and some other stuff too. so basically he didn't want to be "tied down" to UFC.

UFC had no interest in budging their standard contract stuff for Fedor.

so far as i can tell, both sides had demands, and stuck to them. no more, no less. if it didn't make sense for Fedor to take money and feel obliged, then by definition it didn't make sense. likewise, i can very much see why Dana wouldn't want to create a one-off contract just for Fedor.

Finkelstein didn't help any by suggesting (demanding?) that his org help in the production, or distribution in E Europe, or some such thing. what some called "co promotion", although that term got thrown around pretty loosely.

so ya, it pretty much came down to Fedor's demands were worth more to him than millions of dollars. and anyone who claims he is "wrong" has no standing; they can say THEY would have taken the $6m or whatever, but they cannot say "Fedor is wrong in believing that his beliefs are worth more than money", cuz they aren't Fedor.

hope this explanation helps. most people cannot give a straight forward, unbiased answer; they're too caught up in their "because Dana is a leech" / "because Fedor is stoopid" / "because Finkelstein is Russian Mob" / "because i'm too stupid to be reasonable" drama.

so far everyones being so civil in this fedor thread. It's flabbergasting

 

[aker2703]

Why would a company buy another company that is 'bleeding money'?

because all the stars in strikeforce getting paid way over the top can help sell PPV's. this is something they couldn't do in Strikeforce. that is why Zuffa was willing to buy them.

and please don't come back with Zuffa wanted to keep them going after the purchase... they had to say that for legal reason (showtime tv contract) as soon as they fucked with the brand enough, to the point Showtime gave up, then they could move the stars over to the UFC and use them to headline cards and make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[aker2703]

Fedor vs Brock at the time would have broke probably every record going.

Seeing the deal Overeem got with a PPV cut and a million dollar signing bonus I could see Fedor making a crazy amount of money for that fight.

Its just crazy to me that he got offered the biggest fight in MMA history and would probably have made anywhere between 5-10 million and they turned it down. He was an incredible fighter but you can see how deluded his fanbase truly is when they try and defend him for not taking that fight.

 

[aker2703]

You do know that you cannot increase your iq by reading wikipedia? Well now you know that. Is is hard not to be a jerk? Thankfully the other guy was nice enough to give a source. Maybe he has enough confidence in himself that he doesnt need to act like a 10 year old thug.

Can you explain what iq has to do with disagreements on fighters contracts? Thats right nothing. this thread hasnt proven anything about anyones iq it has only proven that you were not raised properly.

yes, especially when i am dealing with people who never want to admit that their golden boy made a mistake. the problem is, you guys can't remove the fighter (great fighter) from his decisions out of the cage.

it is like if you agree that he made a mistake, you are somehow discrediting his legacy.

 

[StrakerRose]

Why would a company buy another company that is 'bleeding money'?

The intangible assets/goodwill of the company name may have value in addition to the other assets they own, like their tape library and existing contracts with employees or fighters.

The UFC bought PRIDE not out of any interest in restarting the promotion. They kicked the tires on it, sent a few people to Japan, figured that it wasn't going to work and moved on. But they now own the entire PRIDE library and bought the contracts of Rampage/Henderson/Nogs etc. It wasn't the greatest business decision in the world (with what we know now, if they had they waited they could have got a better deal), but they made a gain on the deal.

 

[emperor]

I don't know who's right, and I don't care. This is very much a dead issue.

 

[ocfightfan]

Dana offered him a shit ton of money, but would not budge on Fedor fighting in Sambo. Fedor's people confirmed that Dana offered a shit ton, so this is not just speculation.

Fedor wouldn't budge on not fighting Sambo, and he also didn't like some other clauses that are standard in the UFC contract, like the champions clause. he liked fighting in Japan on NYE and some other stuff too. so basically he didn't want to be "tied down" to UFC.

UFC had no interest in budging their standard contract stuff for Fedor.

so far as i can tell, both sides had demands, and stuck to them. no more, no less. if it didn't make sense for Fedor to take money and feel obliged, then by definition it didn't make sense. likewise, i can very much see why Dana wouldn't want to create a one-off contract just for Fedor.

Finkelstein didn't help any by suggesting (demanding?) that his org help in the production, or distribution in E Europe, or some such thing. what some called "co promotion", although that term got thrown around pretty loosely.

so ya, it pretty much came down to Fedor's demands were worth more to him than millions of dollars. and anyone who claims he is "wrong" has no standing; they can say THEY would have taken the $6m or whatever, but they cannot say "Fedor is wrong in believing that his beliefs are worth more than money", cuz they aren't Fedor.

hope this explanation helps. most people cannot give a straight forward, unbiased answer; they're too caught up in their "because Dana is a leech" / "because Fedor is stoopid" / "because Finkelstein is Russian Mob" / "because i'm too stupid to be reasonable" drama.

Spot on. Dana and Lorenzos priorities were different than Fedors. I don't think that's wrong on either side. I also think there were cultural and communication issues that played a big role too.

 

[Loops]

As always, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Fedor's management had grandiose expectations and nationalistic interests, and Dana had cynical doubts about Fedor's economic worth to accompany his ego-mania. The end result for fans is that we never saw Fedor fight in the UFC, and people stuck pointing fingers at each other over it.

I can't think of anything more paradigmatic of Russian-American relations, or politics in general (other than Rocky IV of course).

This is spot on! I still blame Vadim as much as Dana.