In this video we clearly see Tonon using the "crunch" finish on the inside heelhook by going on his shoulder instead of ripping the heel to his left side.
I believe Tonon mentioned on either the Joe Rogan podcast or Eddie Bravo radio (maybe both?) that Palhares was a big influence. They tend to use the saddle and double outside Ashi a lot more though.
I really like that finish for two reasons:
1. Safer. Much less likely to destroy someone's knee.
2. More effective in terms of positional control. If you can lock it up and finish with the crunch you don't get into these rolling scrambles trying to finish.
Like most subs, heel hooks are more effective and safer when you attack them from a position of strong control.
In this video we clearly see Tonon using the "crunch" finish on the inside heelhook by going on his shoulder instead of ripping the heel to his left side.
See, I've had a harder time doing the crunch finish on the inside heel hook I've been able to get it on the outside heel hook, no problem. here's another video of Cummings doing it on the inside heel hook. Instagram won't embed, sorry.
https://instagram.com/p/yU_qyqkG2k/
In this video we clearly see Tonon using the "crunch" finish on the inside heelhook by going on his shoulder instead of ripping the heel to his left side.
Could you explain the Tonon 10th Planet style to me a bit more? I'm not disagreeing, but I'm curious to know more.Yeah, Bodycomb stuff is pretty good but I like what I think I understand from the "danaher" system and I have the feeling it merges well with a "marcelo" type game. Eddie Cummings reminds me a kind of Marcelo Garcia heelhooker.
I have to say I rather Eddie's game than Gary's. Their leglock system is quite similar but Eddie's global guard game is more interesting for me. Gary has more a 10th planet style.
I would like to understand the global system: when they go to that position or this other one. An expended "eddie's budo interview" video in fact
I have basically nothing to add to this thread, except that I'd LOVE to see an instructional on leg locks from either Garry Tonon, Eddie Cummings, or (long shot, I know) John Danaher himself. Their system is quite different from the things I've learned from R. Bodycomb's sets and in class, and the analytic part of my brain is really interested in breaking it down to compare it to the high-side reaping system that Reilly prefers.
Could you explain the Tonon 10th Planet style to me a bit more? I'm not disagreeing, but I'm curious to know more.
I always thought Tonon reminded me more of Bill Cooper than anyone else. I thought it was very evident in the match they had in 2014. They mirrored a lot of each others' half guard sweeps, back takes, front headlock attacks, and foot locks. They play some different specific techniques, but that was the main difference at the time. Say if you picked a foot, arm, and neck attack. Cooper may do more toe holds/armbars/darces, while Tonon might do do more heel hooks/guillotines/kimuras. But overall their presence on the mat looked similar to me.
They both are always going for the finish and don't seem to care at all about points. They also both have a lot of unconventional movements and have an athletic style. They both have gone into IBJJF events and done very well or lost the very first match.
I really wish more people had known about their match last year, because it was really cool and I'd love to see them rematch sometime.
Could you explain the Tonon 10th Planet style to me a bit more? I'm not disagreeing, but I'm curious to know more.
I always thought Tonon reminded me more of Bill Cooper than anyone else. I thought it was very evident in the match they had in 2014. They mirrored a lot of each others' half guard sweeps, back takes, front headlock attacks, and foot locks. They play some different specific techniques, but that was the main difference at the time. Say if you picked a foot, arm, and neck attack. Cooper may do more toe holds/armbars/darces, while Tonon might do do more heel hooks/guillotines/kimuras. But overall their presence on the mat looked similar to me.
They both are always going for the finish and don't seem to care at all about points. They also both have a lot of unconventional movements and have an athletic style. They both have gone into IBJJF events and done very well or lost the very first match.
I really wish more people had known about their match last year, because it was really cool and I'd love to see them rematch sometime.