Dana White talk about money changing the drive and hunger in fighters.

[markg171]

Lol did you even do any research before you started typing? Seriously question.
Justin Gaethje has been fighting only twice a year even before coming into the UFC. He got $60k total for defending his title yet he was only fighting twice a year.

What does that have anything at all to do with the fact that Justin himself is the one who says he only fights 2x a year because that's enough for him?

You do realize 60-120k is ALSO decent money and can easily pay for all one's yearly expenses right?

You're not making the point you think you're making by pointing out ever since Justin's made enough to pay for his year since WSOF he only fights 2x a year exactly as I said when I quoted Justin himself saying that.

Now let’s compare that with Alex Pereira, Adesanya, Volkanovski. These guys were fighting 3 times a year even though they were millionaires bc they liked to compete.
Did Jordan slow down after winning 3 titles and the biggest endorsement deal at the time? No, he went on to win 3 more titles back to back.

If you think money un-motivates everyone, you’re completely wrong.

Also another completely irrelevant strawman.

I was the one responding to the blanket statement that money can't cause fighters to no longer want to fight as much by giving an actual example of it literally happening.

You pointing to other fighters and athletes who money didn't affect them ALSO doesn't prove your blanket statement that money doesn't de-motivate everybody.

This isn't that hard mate.

 

[B ville Famous]

What does that have anything at all to do with the fact that Justin himself is the one who says he only fights 2x a year because that's enough for him?

You do realize 60-120k is ALSO decent money and can easily pay for all one's yearly expenses right?

You're not making the point you think you're making by pointing out ever since Justin's made enough to pay for his year since WSOF he only fights 2x a year exactly as I said when I quoted Justin himself saying that.

Also another completely irrelevant strawman.

I was the one responding to the blanket statement that money can't cause fighters to no longer want to fight as much by giving an actual example of it literally happening.

You pointing to other fighters and athletes who money didn't affect them ALSO doesn't prove your blanket statement that money doesn't de-motivate everybody.

This isn't that hard mate.

You clearly don’t know what blanket statement means. It’s alright though.

 

[volcom5]

Dana does have a point. Nate Diaz did it, Conor Mcgregor did it. You seen it when ex UFC fighters signed with Bellator/PFL. Some of the fighters look complacent and seem to be not even trying. Anthony Pettis in his fights outside of the UFC, He looks like he barely trained based on his physic and his performances, while DJ and Benson looked great even in losses.

 

[Neck&Neck]

If Shaq started training from a young age he could of been the greatest HW fighter ever

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Well, naturally, guys will be hungrier if they're fighting for simple peanuts.

 

[Hdfi]

Money makes people lazier and more useless in society. Why work if you don't have to? The extreme rich and poor are both parasites living off the middle class.

 

[Pharenheit]

It’s a valid point. Countless other athletes from other sports instantly lose value to their organizations the second they start making the big money. The one thing I would like to see is fighters get some kind of pension and/or health care coverage after they retire that will allow them and their families to live comfortably

 

[Ibm]

Hes right, it does change the fighters drive. Even Mike Tyson mentioned it.

 

[markg171]

You clearly don’t know what blanket statement means. It’s alright though.

This you?

If you think money un-motivates everyone, you’re completely wrong.

 

[PaddyO'malley]

Every Great Leader they was knowing that through control of hunger, you control Motivation and Determination! This it was timeless truth, and Sports Pioneer Dana White he was understand it perfectly! HE was known that the only way to provide lifelong fulfillment for HIS people it was to remove the great burden of success from their shoulders and to bear this burden HIMSELF out of pure love and devotion!

Such selflessness it was quite rare and inspiring, a true act of courage that all aspiring leaders they should strive to emulate. Dana White, like Eternal Champion #DonaldTrump, HE was showing the world that true strength it comes from serving the people with unwavering dedication! #godblessamerica

#fighterpay #GrindsetMindset #PowerSlap

 

[icemun]

Im really getting tired of hearing billionaires complaining about worker pay

It sounds like something humanity keeps recycling, which often results in something nasty.

 

[volcom5]

Errr....in the world of major sports?

You do realise there are guys in other sports, boxers for example, making tens of millions per fight..right?



Less than 2000 posts in almost 10 years, and this was definitely one of them.

You do realize 5million is “cash out” money right? If you live modest and invest you’re practically set for life. Just because another person makes a few more million than you while you’re already making doesn’t mean you’re broke.

 

[egk]

Money didnt change Dana at all. Once a douchebag, always a douchebag.

 

[Frode Falch]

Dana should take a pay cut and give away his stake in the company, because money hinders his "drive" and "hunger".

Without my sarcasm: this is Dana-speak for "fighters with money are more difficult to negotiate with because when I don't have all of the leverage I'm actually horrible at negotiating, and I don't like it".

So if we take away the biggest stars and the money makers, do you really think the boxers and kickboxers under the main and co-main events, make more money then the average UFC fighters on the main card?

I dont sit on actual proof or paperwork (neither do you Dana haters), but i think the mid to contender level UFC fighter make more then the mid to contender level pro boxer or kick/mma fighter outside ufc.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Dana does have a point. Nate Diaz did it, Conor Mcgregor did it. You seen it when ex UFC fighters signed with Bellator/PFL. Some of the fighters look complacent and seem to be not even trying. Anthony Pettis in his fights outside of the UFC, He looks like he barely trained based on his physic and his performances, while DJ and Benson looked great even in losses.

No fighter wants to get their ass beat and embarrassed no matter how rich they are - that's motivation enough for 99% of elite fighters.

It's just a negotiating tactic that a promoter with a monopoly uses to bully fighters. Every single boxing champion gets to be a self-promoter (they start their own promotion and partner with an established one) so they can make amazing money on their fights, yet you never heard talk about Pacquiao or Mayweather or Canelo or GGG or Crawford or Usyk or Fury or any other top boxer getting complacent/out of shape/unmotivated once they are making top dollar. In fact they are usually even more motivated, because they can make more progressively the longer they stay elite and/or unbeaten.

There are always exceptions to the rule (i.e. Andy Ruiz), but they are few and far between and it's questionable if they are even "elite" or just got lucky via cirucumstance to end up in that position on top for a moment.

 

[TheNinja]

Yes and no. This happens in all sports and walks of life. But the great ones remain hungry regardless of how rich they are.

 

[volcom5]

No fighter wants to get their ass beat and embarrassed no matter how rich they are - that's motivation enough for 99% of elite fighters

There’s a difference between having motivation & taking your opponents lightly. We’ve seen it time and time again across combat sports, with Elite fighters taking their opponents lightly. Badr Hari vs Overeem, Fury vs Ngannou, GSP vs Serra, Conor vs Diaz, Haney vs Garcia.

It's just a negotiating tactic that a promoter with a monopoly uses to bully fighters. Every single boxing champion gets to be a self-promoter (they start their own promotion and partner with an established one) so they can make amazing money on their fights, yet you never heard talk about Pacquiao or Mayweather or Canelo or GGG or Crawford or Usyk or Fury or any other top boxer getting complacent/out of shape/unmotivated once they are making top dollar. In fact they are usually even more motivated, because they can make more progressively the longer they stay elite and/or unbeaten.

Those Boxers you named aside from Crawford & Mayweather, are not American, I realize American athletes tend to let their guard down once they reach a certain point, Broner and Lopez after beating Lomachenko comes to mind. They seem to get caught up in a certain lifestyle. While foreign fighters are disciplined.

There are always exceptions to the rule (i.e. Andy Ruiz), but they are few and far between and it's questionable if they are even "elite" or just got lucky via cirucumstance to end up in that position on top for a moment.

It’s really not though “few and far between”. You see it across all sports.

 

[B ville Famous]

This you?

Again you’re wrong. Good try. What Dana said is a blanket statement, not what I said.

 

[bjjwar]

He's not wrong, its just human nature tho. As soon as fighters get too much money they start acting like divas and barely fight anymore.

 

[markg171]

You do realize 5million is “cash out” money right? If you live modest and invest you’re practically set for life. Just because another person makes a few more million than you while you’re already making doesn’t mean you’re broke.

Whenever fighter finances gets discussed I always kinda wonder what they're spending and investing their money on. Purses, or pay for us normies, have never really been how the majority of people make their overall wealth at the end of the day. The goal is usually to make money to make more money, which makes you more money while you do nothing, to the point you no longer need to earn anything from your labour as your investments "pay" you.

- GSP buying outright a modest condo in DT Montreal near his gym and life after his first $1M payday (Fitch?) that he still has to this day? Great purchase and investment. Brought down his costs and time and across these last 15 years has probably 4x in value
- Hendricks buying a shitty steakhouse and putting zero effort into it? Terrible purchase and investment. Lost money and reputation.

Fighter pay could be better, but the biggest difference in athletes lives would probably be some basic financial planning on what they actually do with their pay to set themselves up OUTSIDE of fighting. I dislike the idea of a pension for fighters by the UFC or organizations, but I mean an option where the UFC simply sets you up with an advisor to help YOU automatically take a portion of your purse for basic self-investing would set up most of the fighters fairly well.

Like you hear guys with nothing after 15 years and it's like... you could've gotten 150% in whatever you put into the S&P after that long. Normies can become millionaires like this with far less pay, or even the ability to simply fight more to generate anothe purse, so why couldn't they?