Dana White pissed after corrupt NY politician released early

[avenue94]

Is the term “corrupt politician” redundant?

Like Conor said, they're levels to the game. It's pretty hard to beat out Albany in corruption, at least in America.

 

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@filthynumber1 - yes, nice GIF picture. 10/10

 

[kflo]

You still haven't answered, where did I defend Silver of his party? You could just admit you were full of shit on that point ya know.

dude, it was a quote from your statement.

No, the main reason was the culinary union that the Fertitas had been battling (and actually still don't get along with today). Sheldon Silver didn't block mma because of personal preference, he was replaying labor for their support of him and his party. Without the culinary union being pissed at the Fertitas, mma gets legalized in NY much sooner.

You mean he put the interests of a specific political ally (labor backing the culinary union in its clash with the Fertitas) before the interests of mma? Yes, indeed. This isn't super hard to understand. Silver had nothing personal against mma legalization, he did it as a favor for a political ally. Ergo, I blame the political ally pulling the strings for legalization taking forever.

??? silver acted against the interest of the state. the strings the political ally pulled was silver. he fucked over the state because he's a selfish prick.

Dana and the Fertitas repeatedly blamed the culinary union feud, I don't know why you're acting like that conflict never happened.

it only mattered because a crooked pol allowed the union to have power over his actions.

Indeed, it's like other promotions went into the state after it was legalized. What a strange concept.

Can you explain to me what his personal reason for blocking mma legalization was, if it wasn't a favor to organized labor?

what? granting political favors against the interest of your constituents isn't an issue to you? this fucktard was a criminal who used his standing for personal wealth. he used his power to keep his power to continue to receive his criminal payments. but yeah, he wasn't at all the problem........

 

[Eiger]

Sheldon Silver didn't block mma because of personal preference, he was replaying labor for their support of him and his party..

It seemed like members of his party in the State Assembly and State Senate were fine with UFC/MMA though, since there were enough votes in both houses to allow them to operate.. Can it really be said that Sheldon Silver was acting on behalf of his party?

 

[avenue94]

It seemed like members of his party in the State Assembly and State Senate were fine with UFC/MMA though, since there were enough votes in both houses to allow them to operate.. Can it really be said that Sheldon Silver was acting on behalf of his party?

I get what you're saying, and sort of. Labor is a pretty key component of the Democratic coalition in NY. So making sure they're happy and keep sending you checks is in your interest as the NY Democratic Party. And it's not like Democratic legislators were getting primaried or beaten in elections over mma legalization. I'm not defending Silver, I'm just pointing out what the political calculus was, whether it paid off or not for him or his party.

I don't know what kflo's issue is, he just enjoys quibbling over the most random things, in this case he seems to think I'm slighting the Fertitas by pointing out it was organized labor most to blame for mma not being legalized in NY.

it only mattered because a crooked pol allowed the union to have power over his actions.

Here's the basic timeline:
1. Fertitas and culinary union have dispute and bad blood
2. Culinary union makes it a point to make life hard for Zuffa, which is owned by the Fertitas
3. Culinary union asks labor to fight mma legalization in NY as a favor/solidarity
4. NY labor asks Silver to block any bills legalizing mma, so Silver does that

The party most responsible for mma not being legalized in this scenario is very clearly the culinary union.

what? granting political favors against the interest of your constituents isn't an issue to you?

Please point out to me where I state granting political favors against the interest of your constituents isn't a problem. I'll wait...

this fucktard was a criminal who used his standing for personal wealth. he used his power to keep his power to continue to receive his criminal payments.

Do you see me saying his conviction was some great injustice?

but yeah, he wasn't at all the problem.......

Blaming Silver for mma not being legalized is like blaming a hitman for killing someone. Sure, both parties are at fault, but they aren't the ones pulling the strings and most to blame.

 

[Rear Naked Toke]

I taught that Trump and White were buddies?

Trump is supportive of UFC, and booked their events at his New Jersey venues quite often in the early Zuffa days. He basically gave them access to New York long before they actually got it.

Dana only hates the ones that aren't supportive.

 

[kflo]

I get what you're saying, and sort of. Labor is a pretty key component of the Democratic coalition in NY. So making sure they're happy and keep sending you checks is in your interest as the NY Democratic Party. And it's not like Democratic legislators were getting primaried or beaten in elections over mma legalization. I'm not defending Silver, I'm just pointing out what the political calculus was, whether it paid off or not for him or his party.

I don't know what kflo's issue is, he just enjoys quibbling over the most random things, in this case he seems to think I'm slighting the Fertitas by pointing out it was organized labor most to blame for mma not being legalized in NY.

Here's the basic timeline:
1. Fertitas and culinary union have dispute and bad blood
2. Culinary union makes it a point to make life hard for Zuffa, which is owned by the Fertitas
3. Culinary union asks labor to fight mma legalization in NY as a favor/solidarity
4. NY labor asks Silver to block any bills legalizing mma, so Silver does that

The party most responsible for mma not being legalized in this scenario is very clearly the culinary union.

Please point out to me where I state granting political favors against the interest of your constituents isn't a problem. I'll wait...

Do you see me saying his conviction was some great injustice?

Blaming Silver for mma not being legalized is like blaming a hitman for killing someone. Sure, both parties are at fault, but they aren't the ones pulling the strings and most to blame.

this is a baffling take to me. the union is acting in their interest. the politician is acting against his JOB RESPONSIBILITY. the politician is the one violating his responsibility and acting against the interest of his constituents. the hitman's job is to carry out hits. the pols job is to represent the interests of the state.

 

[EndlessCritic]

This thread is already outdated. He's been ordered back to prison. Guess Dana can pull some strings.

https://apnews.com/article/nyc-stat...and-politics-43329a5f78bc2a4f027b266ce96273a2

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

MMA never should've been legalized in New York. Some of the worst, most egregious regularly FUBARs have happened at UFC shows in New York.

Fuck em!

 

[avenue94]

this is a baffling take to me. the union is acting in their interest. the politician is acting against his JOB RESPONSIBILITY. the politician is the one violating his responsibility and acting against the interest of his constituents. the hitman's job is to carry out hits. the pols job is to represent the interests of the state.

Yeah...and who got the block legalization ball rolling and called the shots? It's clearly the union, Silver was just the guy in the position that needed to fall in line. And oh look, you're going to finally stop saying I'm defending Silver because you realized how dumb of a claim that was. lol

The whole NY legalization fiasco stems from the union-Fertita dispute. That's the bottom line. If the union and Fertita had kissed and made up, Silver wouldn't have opposed legalization in all likelihood.

 

[kflo]

Yeah...and who got the block legalization ball rolling and called the shots? It's clearly the union, Silver was just the guy in the position that needed to fall in line. And oh look, you're going to finally stop saying I'm defending Silver because you realized how dumb of a claim that was. lol

The whole NY legalization fiasco stems from the union-Fertita dispute. That's the bottom line. If the union and Fertita had kissed and made up, Silver wouldn't have opposed legalization in all likelihood.

how does a union call the shots on unrelated politics????? lol. comical. its simply baffling you won't place the blame at the one person in position to actually stop the bill from passing because he's a crooked pol who refused to do his job and instead pandered to the guys who feed his campaigns at the expense of his constituents.

i never said you defended silver you jackass, i was literally loling at a direct quote from you.

 

[avenue94]

how does a union call the shots on unrelated politics?????

Dear god, do I really have to give you a civics lesson?
-Station Casinos (owned by Fertita family) have been locked in labor disputes with the local chapters of the Culinary Union for years
-Those local chapters are part of a national organization
-To help out their local chapter, the national organization leaned on Silver to block mma legalization bills as a fuck you to the Fertita family
-Silver complied, given it doesn't hurt to be seen as pro-labor if you're a Democratic New York politician

Woah, lo and behold, that's how a union called the shots in NY. Gee golly goodie, isn't the American civic system so wonderful, friend?

Again, the whole origin of the dispute stems from organized labor, not Silver. He didn't give a shit about mma, only keeping labor happy in NY.

 

[CodCommando]

If I saw that man dying, I'd record it.

 

[kflo]

Dear god, do I really have to give you a civics lesson?
-Station Casinos (owned by Fertita family) have been locked in labor disputes with the local chapters of the Culinary Union for years
-Those local chapters are part of a national organization
-To help out their local chapter, the national organization leaned on Silver to block mma legalization bills as a fuck you to the Fertita family
-Silver complied, given it doesn't hurt to be seen as pro-labor if you're a Democratic New York politician

Woah, lo and behold, that's how a union called the shots in NY. Gee golly goodie, isn't the American civic system so wonderful, friend?

Again, the whole origin of the dispute stems from organized labor, not Silver. He didn't give a shit about mma, only keeping labor happy in NY.

it's amazing you can say this:

Please point out to me where I state granting political favors against the interest of your constituents isn't a problem. I'll wait...

yet place no responsibility on silver for doing just that. how is that possible?

 

[Pastinaca1]

Dana alongside Ferttitas should be in jail so he should not talk about those things.

 

[avenue94]

it's amazing you can say this:

yet place no responsibility on silver for doing just that. how is that possible?

Where I am not placing any responsibility on Silver. He went down corruption charges that by all accounts he was guilty of. Being a shitty public servant isn't a crime and quite common. I most blame the party that called the shots in this situation, Silver was just a replaceable tool in this political dispute. If not him, the unions would have just leaned on the next person who was in a position to help them.
If not representing the interests of your constituents was a crime, 99 percent of representatives would be guilty of it.

I'm just baffled that of all the things that you take exception with, it's assigning blame to the union-fertita squabble that started the entire ordeal. I didn't even call out the Fertitas, I just said a dispute they were involved in started the mess.

 

[kflo]

Where I am not placing any responsibility on Silver. He went down corruption charges that by all accounts he was guilty of. Being a shitty public servant isn't a crime and quite common. I most blame the party that called the shots in this situation, Silver was just a replaceable tool in this political dispute. If not him, the unions would have just leaned on the next person who was in a position to help them.
If not representing the interests of your constituents was a crime, 99 percent of representatives would be guilty of it.

I'm just baffled that of all the things that you take exception with, it's assigning blame to the union-fertita squabble that started the entire ordeal. I didn't even call out the Fertitas, I just said a dispute they were involved in started the mess.

No one said it was a fuckin crime. Just that he didn’t do his job and he was the one who prevented it from going through because he abdicated his responsibility.

Again, it’s amazing that you actually blame a Vegas union dispute as a valid reason why mma wasn’t legalized in New York and it was fine for a politician to stand in the way because of it. The New York citizens were fucked over because of this shitty pol acting against their interests when the rest of the political process had played out for it to pass. And guess what? It was actually legalized once he was gone. Weird.

It only “started the ordeal” because the union was able to get the assembly speaker in their pocket.

 

[PerpetualMotionMachine]

Democrate States get what they deserve.

 

[avenue94]

It only “started the ordeal” because the union was able to get the assembly speaker in their pocket.

So again, it sounds like the dispute is the cause and everything springs from that.

Again, it’s amazing that you actually blame a Vegas union dispute as a valid reason why mma wasn’t legalized in New York and it was fine for a politician to stand in the way because of it.

Again, please show me where I said it was fine for a politician to do this. You have the strangest reading comprehension. You also must have missed the constant bellyaching from the UFC blaming the union for blocking legalization in NY. Sheldon was the puppet, it's weird to not talk bout the puppet master pulling the strings in a situation like this.

 

[kflo]

So again, it sounds like the dispute is the cause and everything springs from that.

Again, please show me where I said it was fine for a politician to do this. You have the strangest reading comprehension. You also must have missed the constant bellyaching from the UFC blaming the union for blocking legalization in NY. Sheldon was the puppet, it's weird to not talk bout the puppet master pulling the strings in a situation like this.

He wasn’t the puppet. He was the fuckin one with the power. Everything springs from the dispute only because the guy in power gives his power to the guys feeding him funds.

You are not putting any of the responsibility on him. Clearly. He’s just a poor helpless puppet. He shouldn’t be held accountable because he was just an innocent puppet.....he didn’t really have the power as assembly speaker for the state of New York......smh....