Media Dana implies Jon scared of Ngannou, should drop to 185 lbs, and Jones wants $30mil

[Tronald Dump]

Dana White might as well be my colon after a huge meal and a few hours to digest it, because he's so full of shit. Who even gives a rats ass about his narratives anymore? Francis an Jon were both scared of each other, according to his goofy uncle fester looking ass.

 

[Yellowcrab]

Lol.

 

[dcthegod]

I’ve been seeing some of the recent jones headlines and some of these topics thinking to myself… am I crazy or is this like the exact opposite of what actually happened here the last couple years. But now that Francis is gone, Jon can say this shit and (largely) get away with it. Especially if he beats cereal

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

No

Ngannou could've took the fight and didn't

Dont make shit up

Jon also could've took the fight and didn't. This is how fight offers work

 

[Deleted member 359865]

I mean I’m not gonna call the man a duck for wanting to make as much money under these circumstances.
When Ngannou left it was easier for Jon to negotiate a raise to fight Gane. He made business decisions.

Dana slandering his own fighters again is the real issue here.

 

[clutchCAT420]

Dana is the filth of mma

 

[Hdfi]

I honestly believe Jones got shook by Ngannou. I think Ngannou would have sent his head into a shadow realm if they fought. I don't think it's a coincidence that Jones came back right after Ngannou left either.

Jones hasn't arguably looked good since he popped for PED. I mean he destroyed GUS, but Gus had a bigger decline than most since.

Jones is probably the greatest fighter in the history of UFC or MMA if you ignore PED. I don't though and I can't.

If Gane didn't look so god awful when Ngannou wrestled him, nor the fact he doesn't train outside training camp which makes no sense since this guy doesn't have martial arts background, I mean he got into Muay thai late too, I would be more confident in predicting this fight, but oh boy he really looked like he didn't know what he was doing. And Jones is arguably best MMA wrestler of all time.

I still favour Gane though. Gane actually didn't look that bad grappling in his ufc run, though obviously he hasn't fought a strong wrestler yet. Also, no one knows what Jones is going to look like with added weight and wrestling someone who is as long, big and athletic as Gane. I think Jones hasn't looked good for a long time, coming off a long lay off, with a big unknown in this fight which will determine the fight: How good is Gane's wrestling when he's expecting the takedowns, and how good is Jone's wrestling/cardio now at heavyweight against a gifted heavyweight like Gane and how will he look with added weight? No one can be sure of the answer.

But with what we have, I think I'd pick Gane by UD or late finish. I don't think Jones will be what he once was.

Exactly! Very well said. This new narrative that Ngannou is afraid of Jones is bs.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Jones ducking Leon and Islam confirmed.

 

[true_fan]

I honestly believe Jones got shook by Ngannou. I think Ngannou would have sent his head into a shadow realm if they fought. I don't think it's a coincidence that Jones came back right after Ngannou left either.

Jones hasn't arguably looked good since he popped for PED. I mean he destroyed GUS, but Gus had a bigger decline than most since.

Jones is probably the greatest fighter in the history of UFC or MMA if you ignore PED. I don't though and I can't.

If Gane didn't look so god awful when Ngannou wrestled him, nor the fact he doesn't train outside training camp which makes no sense since this guy doesn't have martial arts background, I mean he got into Muay thai late too, I would be more confident in predicting this fight, but oh boy he really looked like he didn't know what he was doing. And Jones is arguably best MMA wrestler of all time.

I still favour Gane though. Gane actually didn't look that bad grappling in his ufc run, though obviously he hasn't fought a strong wrestler yet. Also, no one knows what Jones is going to look like with added weight and wrestling someone who is as long, big and athletic as Gane. I think Jones hasn't looked good for a long time, coming off a long lay off, with a big unknown in this fight which will determine the fight: How good is Gane's wrestling when he's expecting the takedowns, and how good is Jone's wrestling/cardio now at heavyweight against a gifted heavyweight like Gane and how will he look with added weight? No one can be sure of the answer.

But with what we have, I think I'd pick Gane by UD or late finish. I don't think Jones will be what he once was.

 

[RedfernNow]

Jones watches Francis assault The Reem, and decides he is never fighting that guy.

Watches Francis panic wrestle Gane and thinks....hey, Gane is as bad at wresting/Pereira (Poatan) confirms good kickboxers don't become good wrestlers.

Jones falls in love with the idea of Gane.

Dana is thinking, good, feck off Francis, there is a fight to make because there was no way Jones was coming back with you standing in the doorway.

Jones point fights and wrestle fucks Gane... then does a GSP and disappears after taunting DC...

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Jones ducking Francis really is the most obvious ducking in MMA since Tito and Chuck, Jon moving up to HW but then sitting on the shelf for 3 years then coming back the instant Francis leaves.

Jones saw Stipe/DC 3, thought like many of us Stipe didnt look great even in victory and moved up to avoid rematches of his questionable wins at LHW, suddenly Francis gets the belt and looks like a beast and Jon wants nothing to do with him.

Yup he saw how Stipe had zero success with the wrestling game plan for the rematch. He figured Ngannou would have the same holes or that Stipe would win and Jones can beat Stipe on points. All the plans changed after what happened in that fight.

Even if he was serving a secret suspension like the rumors that are going around, he still waited until Ngannou officially left UFC.

 

[BonesWinckleJones]

FACTS: JONES FIGHTING BEST HW IN THE WORLD ATM
MORE FACTS:FRNACIS WAS OFFERED THE BEST DEAL HW HAS EVER GOT AND DENIED TO AVOID JONES

 

[swimba]

 

[Iroh]

Almost forgot that he had said that. Great to see it again now in the lead up to the fight! Makes you really think that Gane might be a more difficult opponent, because Gane is a smarter opponent ,than Ngannou, and has a more diverse and technical arsenal, than Ngannou, and moves around easier than Ngannou. So Jon won't have to fear the power as much, but he still has to worry about a lot more weapons and Gane's movement might be enough to deal with whatever speed Jon has, now, as a not-so shredded HW.


The real question is the grappling though. I wouldn't be surprised if Gane has improved a whole lot in the grappling department in the last year, and he might have been better than what he looked like vs Francis, to begin with.
And, of course, how good is Jon's wrestling now and how fast and fluid can he move? And also, will Gane be able to use his own length well enough to negate Jon's length advantage, when grappling.

I'm not sure I buy that he didn't fear the last opponents and that's why he under-performed, but even if that is the case, then he might be underestimating Gane too, if his Russian sparring partner is to be believed.

 

[Xoleth]

Doesn't really work in this scenario.

Ngannou vs Jones would have been a fight wanted by both UFC and fans.

Why would red goof lie? Again, in this particular scenario.

Most probably, both Jones and Ngannou asked for money that they kind of knew UFC wouldn't offer.

 

[abject]

Its pretty clear a Jones fight with Ngannou would have done incredible ppv records and kept ngannou in the ufc. A duck quacks. Its funny though. Gane is a tougher matchup imo.

 

[Shilajit]

Jon also could've took the fight and didn't. This is how fight offers work

I think there's a lot of moving parts to how it played out

Jon was the one who initially called out Ngannou back in 2021, before Ngannou even had the belt.

He wanted a bump in pay that was worthy of the super fight and a move to HW. Understandable.

The UFC weren't willing to bite at the time because it was during the pandemic, crowds weren't a thing and they also couldn't justify such amounts for a non title bout.

Fast forward a year later, crowds are back, he's had another year to bulk and prepare and negotiations are back on the table. Eventually resulting in him getting the contract he wanted.

But now Ngannou won't sign. He wants more money, freedom and all this other shit. Plus he just had surgery and needs time to recover.

I dont see the full spectrum of how everything played out to be a simple process.

Jon wasn't scared, he wanted a better contract and probably needed a bit more time to prepare.

Ngannou wasn't scared either, he could've made the fight happen, ultimately the only thing that held the deal up at the end was him. But at the same time, he's still recovering from a serious injury, taking the fight too soon would present a big risk.

It was probably a wise move to take more time to heal, consider other options while watching how the Jon, Gane fight plays out.

All that being said, Jon signed his contract. Acting like he only came back after Ngannou left is just idiocy

Who do people think Jones was preparing for all this time? Who brought up his name in the first place? When he's bulking, gaining 20-30 pounds of muscle for 2 years, who does he have on his mind? This pay jump he's wanted for years is only possible if he fights for the HW belt and who's had the belt? Ngannou

That was the fight

 

[HHJ]

. Another weirdo Jon slandering thread

Nothing is strange about slandering Jon.

 

[Shilajit]

Yup he saw how Stipe had zero success with the wrestling game plan for the rematch. He figured Ngannou would have the same holes or that Stipe would win and Jones can beat Stipe on points. All the plans changed after what happened in that fight.

Even if he was serving a secret suspension like the rumors that are going around, he still waited until Ngannou officially left UFC.

Refer to my above post

And in regards to analysis of a Ngannou, Jones bout. Ngannou himself said he thinks Jones is the best MMA striker.

People who think that if they stay on the feet, Ngannou just wins are very misguided.

Jones manipulates the kicking range and his arm length to mitigate damage like nobody else.

We've seen throughout his career that a boxing based attack struggles to actually hit him cleanly. The difference between Jones last two opponents and Ngannou is they both used a kicking heavy strategy, which allowed them to crack open the nut to a degree.

Ngannou simply wouldn't implement a diverse strategy. You know what he's coming with. Incredible power, good boxing, but predictable combinations.

When the predominant threat you present is with your hands and you're facing an opponent with a multitude of tools, very tricky. We seen it in Ngannou's last fight against Gane. Jon's fight against DC, rampage, Rashad and countless other occasions throughout combat sports.

Which isn't to say Jones outright beats him on the feet. But the idea that Ngannou indisputably wins if it stays there is immeasurably flawed.

Jones also isn't Stipe in terms of wrestling.

I think a lot of people believe it was a bad matchup for Jon. When in reality it was the opposite, assuming Jones comes on the level.

 

[cmw43]

Dana isn't lying about that. Jon Jones priced himself out of the Ngannou fight, then pretended to be "bulking up" for 3 yrs and comes back exactly when Ngannou leaves. if Jon really wanted the fight the UFC would've been happy to make it.

They tried, Jon signed on and they offered Ngannou $8million but he turned it down to chase a boxing payday.