Dana banned from casinos for gambling/winning too much $$$

Question for Americans that play blackjack in casino's.

If there is a problem with card counting why don't they do what other countries do (say here in AUS) where they use 4-6 decks at one time, randomly shuffled and place a card marker around 3/4 through the deck so when that random card is dealt the next hand is a new deck.

it is impossible to count cards using this method.

they do that, with 6-8 decks in most casinos in the US.
 
So can can bet 50K on 50/50 odds? I still find that surprising.....I wouldn't think a casino would be willing to give such good odds.

Thanks for the info.

Basically, yes. The table limit.

And FYI: There are no 50/50 odds in ANY game.

Roulette have Number 0, which is Green. So Red/Black is a loss.
Baccarat have Tie, and 5% commission on Banker wins.
Even Dice on Big and Small is not 50/50, because Triple is different betting.

That's why people says "House always wins", while not 100% true but it's pretty damn close to 100% due to the rules/odds and finally human emotions.
 
Question for Americans that play blackjack in casino's.

If there is a problem with card counting why don't they do what other countries do (say here in AUS) where they use 4-6 decks at one time, randomly shuffled and place a card marker around 3/4 through the deck so when that random card is dealt the next hand is a new deck.

it is impossible to count cards using this method.

Casinos in the US does do this with most of their tables. It does make it extremely difficult and not very effective to count cards, but it can still be done with 4 decks. Just have to divide the count by 4 or something like that. Occasionally the count could still get good enough to make the big bet. I have a friend that did this and made some money (not a lot).

Strangely, which I've never understood, many casinos will advertise and have blackjack tables that feature "Single Desk!" I never understood that because it was like, ok, card counters, welcome! But then if you start counting, they get mad and toss you out.
 
nobody wants to play my guessing game (post 62)


I'm sad :icon_sad:
 
when i was a kid, i always thought this was an urban legend. i'm super surprised to find out casinos really do kick out and ban people for winning. crazy.
 
Basically, yes. The table limit.

And FYI: There are no 50/50 odds in ANY game.

Roulette have Number 0, which is Green. So Red/Black is a loss.
Baccarat have Tie, and 5% commission on Banker wins.
Even Dice on Big and Small is not 50/50, because Triple is different betting.

That's why people says "House always wins", while not 100% true but it's pretty damn close to 100% due to the rules/odds and finally human emotions.

There are no 50/50 odds in any game, EXCEPT if you count cards in blackjack. Then it is 50/50, or even 51/49 in your favor.
 
There are no 50/50 odds in any game, EXCEPT if you count cards in blackjack. Then it is 50/50, or even 51/49 in your favor.

Which is why it's "illegal" to count cards. That's the very few reasons they can actually ban you.

I was talking about legit betting.

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And while I won't pretend I know anything about card counting, I'm pretty sure the odds is alot better than 51/49 if you master the skill.

Also recognise I didn't mention BJ in that particular post. Because BlackJack IS the game that House have the LEAST advantage over you. That is why you see Table Limit, Max you can bet, for BJ table is alot lower than other games. :D That is of course NOT true if you bet on Pairs.
 
As many others have said, it's common practice.

It wouldn't be a sustainable business if they didn't account for people who can consistently beat the system. Otherwise, anyone with advanced math education and "pro poker players" in the world would just show up to casinos for hours on end and treat it like a job, thus bankrupting the entire industry.

Casinos are for degenerates who treat it like the lottery, not a game/sport.
 
Casinos in the US does do this with most of their tables. It does make it extremely difficult and not very effective to count cards, but it can still be done with 4 decks. Just have to divide the count by 4 or something like that. Occasionally the count could still get good enough to make the big bet. I have a friend that did this and made some money (not a lot).

Strangely, which I've never understood, many casinos will advertise and have blackjack tables that feature "Single Desk!" I never understood that because it was like, ok, card counters, welcome! But then if you start counting, they get mad and toss you out.

The fewer the decks, the better the odds for the player, with or without counting.

But I kinda doubt most people know that since you'll often see people playing at a table that pays 6:5 on black jack while there are empty seats at an abutting table paying the traditional 3:2.
 
The fewer the decks, the better the odds for the player, with or without counting.

But I kinda doubt most people know that since you'll often see people playing at a table that pays 6:5 on black jack while there are empty seats at an abutting table paying the traditional 3:2.

If you are NOT counting, why are the odds better for the players when there are fewer decks?

I don't remember reading that in any of the books/online sites that talk about card counting.

And logically, it does not make sense to me.... Again, that is if you do NOT count cards.
 
I don't really understand your post fully, apologise if I response incorrectly below.

If you saying Dealers, colluding with with players which is possible, but usually not on BJ tables. Because even we don't know what cards comes next, another myth many people believe.

BUT if it was a auto-shuffler, look up 126 Shuffle Master, an experienced BJ dealer MIGHT be able have a better guess if PAIRS are coming. It's up to individual table of course and the better guess, is still a guess.

Unless the Dealer actually tampered with the cards themselves, it's impossible for them to know what's next.

I'm not suggesting any actual collusion or conspiracy with the dealer or knowing what specific card is coming next.

The key to card counting is knowing how many big cards are left in the deck (i.e., Aces and 10-value cards) versus little cards. The value of that information increases as more and more cards are dealt. The dealer can thus help the player/counter by placing the divider card deep in the shoe.

By doing that, the dealer may potentially earn a big tip from the player/counter, and the casino would have no way of establishing that the dealer was guilty of any wrongdoing if they even suspected his tacit complicity in the first place.
 
whats the problem in this counting card stuff?

dont even know what it is but if youre not with a card in your shirt then w/e
 
It's amazing to me that it's legal for them to ban players that win. Casinos are such a joke, I'll never understand why people support them.

everyone who gambles thinks that they're the ones that are going to win, and the other joe six-packs will lose. if you play long enough, you'll eventually lose. the house always wins, and if they didn't, gambling casinos wouldn't exist.

i don't gamble. i spend my money where i know i'll receive an even exchange.
 
Lol nice spin from Dana saying he is banned because he won too much. I heard they banned him because he was losing and addicted. They didn't want him to blow his entire fortune

Totally sounds like something a casino would do.
 
just they were filming and the Casino CEO called,lol
its staged, if he really calls, you cannot hookup/flip on the camera that fast!
 
I'm not suggesting any actual collusion or conspiracy with the dealer or knowing what specific card is coming next.

The key to card counting is knowing how many big cards are left in the deck (i.e., Aces and 10-value cards) versus little cards. The value of that information increases as more and more cards are dealt. The dealer can thus help the player/counter by placing the divider card deep in the shoe.

By doing that, the dealer may potentially earn a big tip from the player/counter, and the casino would have no way of establishing that the dealer was guilty of any wrongdoing if they even suspected his tacit complicity in the first place.

Oh, I get what you meant now. :D Well here's my explanation.

The House rule is 3/4 Deck cut. This Deck cut have to be confirmed by Supervisors, those Jackets you see walking around 2 ~ 4 tables. But as many know the saying "Rules are meant to be broken". It's very possible for Dealer to proceed himself/herself disregarding that confirmation, or for Supervisors to confirm without even looking. Yes, it's possible and have happened to me even. Keke..

The reason for 3/4 deck, is that 39 extra cards can be dealt after the Cutting Card is exposed, if it's in the middle of a game, any lesser than 39 cards can potentially result in a "no game" especially in BJ. This will cause MAJOR problem for table, and the DEALER'S job. For this incidents, the game will be stopped and surveillance will be notified and the whole shoe will be reviewed.

Thus, it's highly unlikely for a Dealer to risk that much for potentially more tips.

But, highly unlikely doesn't mean zero chance. So I get your point.

Once again, I must stress I don't know how card counting works, but even if the Dealer risked it for another 10 cards, Cutting cards at 1/2 deck instead of 3/4. I doubt it will help the Counter much. What's good is 10 cards going do? It's basically maximum 1 game more.

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Also I must remind again, I'm not talking out of my Ass. I'm a ex-croupier as mentioned in #49 of this thread. While rules might differ from individual Casino, they are generally similar.
 
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Yeah, casinos just hate it when people are losing and giving them large amounts money. :rolleyes:

Do you understand how fukin dumb that post was?

It's possible and happens to quite a few; you can set a personal limit for the casino to enforce on you and they would honor it.

I think he was inferring about that.
 
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