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Dan Henderson is much older than Fedor and had more mileage, more fights, damage when he KO’d him

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  1. pankrat Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    I didnt talk about sprinters but many other sports that you didnt address. Tell me about sports that relate to fighting, not golf or whatever.
    For the second time, what's the age of wrestler in the Olimpics?

    Around the 30s your speed, reflexes and recovery time decrease, and this affects the performance in most sports and particularly combat sports.

    Even in an pure endurance sport like cycling 37 is already old, let alone a sport as MMA. Another story is that in MMA, techninque and experience compensates a lot.
     
  2. Brigfa White Belt

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    Sorry guys
    Ngannou > Fedor
    Lebron > Jordan
    Messi > Maradona
    Fury > Ali
    Your old guys doesn't have any chance even in their primes
     
  3. Shaddows Steel Belt

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    jesus, people still trying to find any topic to shit on Fedor...

    So many factors gets into this. Age is not the only one.
    Hendo was fighting little guys while Fedor was fighting HW's. That alone should shut you up about it.
     
  4. FKAri Green Belt

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    Who cares who is more washed if they're both washed? The result of that fight was meaningless for both fighters in terms of their legacy.
     
  5. Fioretti Beef

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    Here's an article that touches on a lot of the things you're saying:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/thecon...-does-aging-affect-athletic-performance-36051


    One tidbit that I think is most relevant:

    "In most sports, this age sweet spot falls in the mid-20’s to early 30’s. Although there have been numerous examples of Olympians competing, and sometimes winning medals, over the age of 50, the vast majority of these come from sports requiring exceptional skill and less aerobic or anaerobic power, such as the shooting events, sailing, equestrian and fencing.

    For endurance events, the upper cap for competing at the sport’s highest levels appears to be around the age of 40."

    Another big thing is this:

    "In the general population, VO2max tends to decline by about 10% per decade after the age of 30. Athletes who continue to compete and train hard can reduce the drop by about half, to 5% per decade after the age of 30."

    5% per decade in athletes. That means by 40, their V02max is 5% less than it was at 30, and most of that drop-off starts at around 35-37.

    I can show you many more articles, if you wish, about muscle strength, mass, density, speed, and reflexes. Speed and reflexes tend to drop off around age 37 as well, while the muscle strength, mass, and density can stay until age 50 in some athletes.

    Don't forget all my threads on the average age of MMA champions in history and the age of current champions. 31-33 seems to be the pinnacle for MMA, with most drop-offs happening around (omg) age 37.
     
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  6. sfer1 Blue Belt

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    Hendo and Bigfoot were 110% juiced to the gills.
     
  7. mjfan23 Gold Belt

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    Cool story TS.

    Fedor is still winning and sleeping HWs while Dan needs help to chew his food. So yeah while Dan might have been better on one given night their careers are not even comparable.
     
  8. pankrat Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Dan Henderson was fighting for the UFC belt at 46 man, and arguably won
     
  9. SherdogFan23 Brown Belt

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    Your point makes no sense. Dan and Fedor were beyond prime. Fedor had fought over 34 fights by that point and his style was not even the same as when he fought in PRIDE. His ground submission game became second to striking at this point.
     
  10. SherdogFan23 Brown Belt

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    Not true. If you can't look at Fedor's fights and see the style change even in his later wins then you are a casual.
    Conor may be a better stand up pure striker than Aldo, but one quick win that he never defended doesn't mean he was necessarily the better fighter.
     
  11. markg171 Gold Belt

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    Lmao how was Hendo washed???
    • He left the UFC for SF on a 3 fight win streak over Palhares, Franklin, and Bisping, and the Bisping fight was a title eliminator and GOAT KO.
    • He was 2-1 in Strikeforce before Fedor, marred only by the Shields decision loss where realistically he had KO'd Shields in the 1st. How that fight wasn't stopped is beyond me, though kudos for Shields coming back to dominate the rest of the fight from the 2nd round onwards now that Hendo was gassed. Regardless, Hendo should've been a dual MW/LHW Strikeforce champ considering he wins their LHW belt 2 fights later.
    • He KO'd Fedor, who had only had the quick loss to Werdum (who he'd still dropped which led to his overconfidence), and the Bigfoot loss. Fedor may not have been #1 anymore, but he still was a great fighter.
    • He came over to the UFC and beat Shogun, who was the #2 UFC LHW and had only just lost his belt to Jones earlier that year and already rebounded back with a 1st round KO of Forrest.
    • He gets a title fight with Jones but gets injured and the UFC screws him over for pulling out last minute and makes him come back not against Jones but, with no knees now, their most elusive fighter Machida and he still makes it to a split decision that many thought he won.
    It's beyond stupid to say Henderson was washed. He was arguably the best he's ever been during that period.
     
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  12. Sweater of AV Gold Belt

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    Not even remotely close to being true.

    In 2011 Hendo and Fedor were both a far cry from their best days. The fact that Hendo was continuing to have success is a testament to his toughness and durability (and a bit of TRT). Even in the Shields fight his back was a complete mess which should be obvious if you watch it. Credit to Shields for getting it done though.
     
  13. markg171 Gold Belt

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    Results wise it's silly to say Henderson wasn't at or among the best he ever was.
     
  14. BFoe Gold Belt Platinum Member

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    Eh let’s be realistic. Dan was gifted that shot because Bisping wanted to settle an old score. Dan was 2-3 in his previous 5 leading up to that TS, and did not deserve it in any way, shape, or form. He had a good, competitive fight with Bisping but people who think he won that fight should get their eyes checked imo.
     
  15. HeffDoesWant Brown Belt

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    Yeah right around that time he started taking trt against opponents who weren't.
     
  16. Fight Professor Gold Belt

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    I am not denying that. But Fedor lost because he got wreckless and not because Dan outpowered/outcardio'd him.
     
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  17. Deported Orange Belt

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    I HATE FEDOR!!!

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    If hendo was so much better, we’d see “Hendo was never good since he lost against xxxx” posts DAILY for the past 6-7 years.
     
  18. NoBiasJustMMA Steel Belt

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    Dan did have to recover from almost being finished though and having great cardio and being on PEDs seems to help with recovery from being rocked.
     
  19. Candy Routure Black Belt Platinum Member

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    Only new fans think losing to Hendo is something to be ashamed of.
     
  20. mjfan23 Gold Belt

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    UFC belt? Last BW belt fight had two guys coming off a defeat fighting for one so not really a good yardstick!
     

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