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Dan Henderson is much older than Fedor and had more mileage, more fights, damage when he KO’d him

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  1. deadshot138 Silver Belt

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    It's almost as though catching someone out of position with an unexpected, heavy punch will result in them temporarily losing consciousness regardless of age or accrued damage.
     
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    I think on that subject, you're thinking more of their athletic prime or peak, rather than their actual physical prime. A man naturally hits his physical prime between 28-35. Some athletes will have their peak performances prior to this, sure, but their physical attributes will not naturally decline until 37-ish in most men.

    Obviously injuries will play a factor on a case to case basis, but muscle strength, muscle density, speed, and reflexes do not typically decline (naturally) until around the age of 37. In the case of endurance athletes (MMA is an endurance sport), most do not hit their peak performance until their early to mid 30's, and some can even hold until their early 40's. Muscle strength and density is said to hold from 25-45, and even until 50 in some cases. The declines you'll see around 37 will be more speed and reflexes. 32-34 or so is not usually the case, and when/if that happens, they would be the exception.
     
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  3. deadshot138 Silver Belt

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    Man he crumpled Wand and took his soul with that kick
     
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    Everyone was on PEDs and it was not against the rules in Pride, SO WHO CARES!!! Even if Fedor was on PEDs, which was never proven but let's assume he was, you really want to tell me UFC champs Randleman, Mark Coleman, Josh Barnett (LOL like come the fuck on), Couture, etc were also not roided?
     
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  5. J Danger Armed with a Mind

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    It’s crazy how some people still deny his skills. When damn near every fighter says he’s the HW Goat when asked… that should tell you something.
     
  6. ILIKEROCKHOLD White Belt

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    TRT is a hell of a drug.
     
  7. markg171 Gold Belt

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    Wow, cool dude congrats on pointing out that Fedor also once fought another fast and agile opponent... who also had success on him...? It's almost like you proved my point that taking away/lessening Fedor's speed advantage that he normally carried against big, slow HWs made harder fights for him.

    Of course though, the difference between Henderson and Cro Cop is that Henderson had the grappling Cro Cop didn't to turn the fight around when it went to the ground instead of being at Fedor's mercy.
     
  8. LoveSherdogThisTime White Belt

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    I'm not trying to discredit Henderson but I thought it was an early stoppage.
     
  9. campbecc Gold Belt

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    People don't qualify for TRT unless they messed up their endocrine system by using steroids. Someone like Bigfoot would but he has a serious medical condition which is treated with hormones, Hendo does not have a medical condition. He's a normal person who used steroids which damaged his endocrine system.
     
  10. icemun Blue Belt

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    Dan was in his 40s when he beat Fedor.

    Even if Dan hadn't had years of weight cutting from HS /college plus participated in organizations like Pride where steroids were encouraged and given to fighters, his testosterone would be low like any man in his 40s.

    Dan had a legitimate license to use. God knows what both men were actually on at the time coming from Pride.
     
  11. campbecc Gold Belt

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    No that's not remotely true, a man in his 40s has lower testosterone than in their 20s but not nearly low enough to qualify for TRT. He had to have been on steroids before and for a long time, it's the only logical reason he would have clinically low testosterone.

    But he would not have been cheating if it was during Pride, because it was not against the rules in Pride to use steroids.
     
  12. icemun Blue Belt

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    Oh there is little doubt he was on steroids if he was in Pride.
    They were giving out roids like candy in Pride.

    But this coupled with the fact that he was in his forties and had been weight cutting since HS (which decreases test) would reduce a mans test even if he wasn't in Pride.

    That said god knows what gear Dan and Fedor were actually on for that fight.
     
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    Im just pointing the guys hypocrisy out to try to insinuate fedor was clean when that is also “unproven”. At least the UFC didnt tell their fighters in their fight contract that they wouldnt be tested.
     
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  14. ocfightfan Sic semper tyrannus

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    It's MMA, shit happens.
     
  15. Frode Falch Steel Belt Professional Fighter

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    Fedor is russian..

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    Or from decades of weight cutting as a result of being a high level wrestler? ....

    Jesus. do some research before commenting.
     
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  18. pankrat Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Thats not true. Physical decline starts around 30s and that's the case in any major sport - soccer, basketball, tennis - and also combat sports.

    Please, list the Olympic medallist in wrestling or gymnastics above 32
     
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    Hendo chin held up Fedor didn't
     
  20. Fioretti Beef

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    Different sports have different peaks in performance for their athletes. Sprinters are typically pretty young too, it doesn't mean they're all hitting their physiological prime 10 years early. That is their athletic prime for their specific sport. Having higher muscle mass and density is detrimental to a sprinter. Endurance athletes are a different story.
     

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