Cruz is the Microweight GOAT for now

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  1. mkt

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    Micro = BW and Flyweight, since there's been some crossover in those divisions. Cruz has wins over
    • Dillashaw
    • Mighty Mouse
    • Benavidez X2
    • Faber X2
    • Prime Ian McCall (who arguably beat Mighty Mouse)
    • A few other notable fighters, including Brian Bowles, who was a good fighter before he turned into a druggie.
    His only 2 losses are pretty understandable. He was still working a full-time job when he fought Faber the first time, and Urijah had a good bit more experience. He lost to Cody after blowing out both knees. People talk about Shogun never being the same after ACL injuries/surgeries, but at least he could still brawl. Cruz's style is pure speed and mobility, and losing speed/mobility is an absolute killer in the lightest weight classes. I'm still surprised he beat Dillashaw--though it was admittedly a very close fight.

    Sadly, I think Cruz is done as a fighter, but he's the GOAT of the small guys. Maybe Dillashaw could dethrone him, but he hasn't yet.
     
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    MM might have changed my mine if he took the BW title, but he stayed with the midgets too long and lost his belt.
     
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    If p4p discussion wasn't wild enough, here you go Sherdog, a whole new pile of nonsense.
     
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    Cruz is the best midgit for sure
     
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    TJ beat him. Damage control excuses about knees for when he finishes Dom next time
     
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    Nuh-uh. TJ is.
     
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    here we go
     
  8. mkt

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    I have the data, you have an asinine reply...
     
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    I base my claim on his record, including his post ACL fights. But I'd like to see MM or Dillashaw fight after ACL surgeries on both knees...especially MM.
     
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    I like how you put MM on there as if it is the current MM.The MM that lost to Dom back in 2011 has got nothing to do with Current MM right now.And yet MM still outstruck Cruz in 2011 and he was a part time fighter.But Cruz's wrestling was too much for MM.
     
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    Also to add:Faber was a shell of himself the second and third time, and beating a green and undersized DJ and bloated flyweight Benavidez isn’t as impressive as beating Barão and Cody twice.
     
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    Short memories around here regarding the Decisionator...

    Cruz: 22 wins, 8 finishes, 37%
    TJ: 16 wins, 11 finishes, 69%

    Yep, let’s return to the old Cruz dance-offs. I prefer the Snakenator Era tyvm.
     
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    The greatest of all time...for now?
     
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    TJ arugably has a win over Cruz, so TJ is microweight goat

    and if gym talk counts, TJ arguably has 10 wins over both Faber and Benividez, so TJ is 5x greater than Cruz
     
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    Cruz injured too often, picked his opponents, and deliberately avoided TJ rematch after narrow split decision.
     
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    Cruz has 2 finishes in his entire WEC/UFC career. Most of his wins are against fighters who dropped to Flyweight.
     
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    Yeah, TJ is more exciting. But he isn't the GOAT yet, he needs to go on a run. He had like 2 title defenses before losing the belt and then has 1 now. His loss is debatable, but it's still an official loss. If he can come out and defend his belt a couple more times, one of those being Dom then he has an argument for it. If he beats Dom defends 3 or 4 times more, it's his title outright. But saying that right now because he is more exciting is premature.
     
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    Garbage. Faber went through a long period where he only lost to the champs (Aldo, Barao, Cruz). He had 8 non-title wins between his last 2 fights with Cruz. His only other loss was when he moved up to fight Frankie Edgar (a former LW champ). Faber was absolutely elite in the 2nd fight with Cruz, and in the twilight of his career (but still good) in their final fight.
     
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