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  1. The Persian Prince Blue Belt

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    What could have been if instead of a heated rivalry they started training together after thier WEC fight? Originally they fought at 145lbs in WEC had Cruz remained a featherweight and faber dropped down or vice versa and they trained together what could have been? Would faber be retired? Would he have captured ufc gold?

    Would have robbed us of one of the better rivalries team Alpha Male vs Cruz but would have been very interesting thier both "California kids"
     
  2. Elysianwing Mr. Mojo Risin' Belt

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    I don't think they ever could've gotten along, they bicker like jaded ex-lovers.


    On a side note, I still don't understand why the fuck Faber refused to go back to 145. 'That is Chad's division'

    Chad should've dropped to 135, and Faber never should've left 145.
     
  3. Fullmount Triangle Don't Let Them Force Feed You.

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    would YOU want to go back to 145 after what Aldo did?
     
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    As far as the question, Cruz would have left. He doesn't seem like he'd be terribly thrilled being the understudy anywhere, and in a gym centered around lighter weight fighters, the odds of him being the standout guy get lower adn lower
     
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    their rivalry served both of them well
    brought interest to the lighter divisions
    you need a rivalry to create interest
    DJ is too dominant at 125 which is boring
     
  6. Elysianwing Mr. Mojo Risin' Belt

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    Yes. Given how successful Aldo's gameplan was in the first fight? You know he'd try and do the exact same thing the second go around, which means ultimately if Faber just dedicated a camp to catching and/or checking leg kicks, he could potentially make something happen in the rematch.

    It was a much more difficult notion on paper, I think, to train for Cruz...given how absurd his footwork is.
     
  7. felmmando Red Belt

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    You mean he'd clearly be the standout in a gym full of heavyweights? Why?
     
  8. Fullmount Triangle Don't Let Them Force Feed You.

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    Urijah Faber has never caught or checked a kick in his life. So, it's not as easy as "Train to catch kicks", he'd have to retool his entire style right down to the way he stands.

    And, beyond that, what does Faber do when he catches a kick? Take Aldo down? Alright.

    Aldo is an unwinnable fight for Faber given Faber's skillset shown then, now and forever
     
  9. Fullmount Triangle Don't Let Them Force Feed You.

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    Because you prepare differently as a bantamweight than a heavyweight. Time is spent on different things. If you're a bantamweight in a room full of stud bantamweights and stud featherweights, then you stand out a lot less.
     
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    So he'd stand out among heavyweights by doing things no one else would even consider doing? I guess that is a way of standing out but not an advantageous one; it sounds like he'd be on the margins.
     
  11. Fullmount Triangle Don't Let Them Force Feed You.

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    He's different from a room full of heavyweights, preparing differently, for different opponents. If you are a heavyweight in a heavyweight gym, you are all training for pretty similar, common opponents. The mindset becomes grouped for coaching staff. there are far fewer stud standouts in a place like alpha male, alpha male is a place that was known for it's strong presence in the two weight divisions, not it's individual talent despite the individual talent being strong.
     
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    The California penis
     

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