crucifix defense

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Hey guys Im looking for as the title says any crucifix defenses I can use. I like using funky rolls and counters a lot and they are successful until I get to the crucifix position and then Its a scramble out.
btw this position to be exact
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Any legit counters or educated defense from here? If anyone can even pick up a vid that would be great also. Thanks in advance
 
Escaping the crucifix isn't easy, and probably won't work as long as the opponent holds a tight seatbelt (unlike the illustration pic), but there are a few ways that can work when he opens up to start attacking the neck. The most common one is to shrimp forward until your upper back is off the opponent, then back-roll over him into side control with one arm between his legs. Another is to look towards his legs, move upwards and hook his near leg with yours, and basically step over into mount, prying your arm free as you turn your body. If you check out Bill Cooper's escapes DVD, you'll see both of these, plus a couple of other cool ones.

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1. Not pissing off Pontius Pilate... (j/k)
2. Prevention is better than escape.

We have some crucifix players at my academy. I find that the ones I've rolled with so far need two things to get a crucifix position. They need to trap one arm with their legs, and another with their hands or arms. They tend to go for the leg trap first. Once they have that, there are plenty of ways for them to trap my remaining arm. But if I avoid letting them trap my arm with their legs, they have to pick something else besides the crucifix.

The absolute worst thing to do with a crucifix player is to give them anything resembling a chance to trap your arm between their legs. That is what they want. Hooking the inside of either leg from bottom turtle is something I've learned (the hard way) not to do. The second my elbow advances behind the line of their knees, it doesn't matter which direction my hand is pointed or whether my elbow is bent. A good crucifix player snaps his or her knees closed on my upper arm, and no matter which way I twist my arm it only delays the inevitable, unless I can brute-force my way forward and around to take the back. They generally prevent this by cross facing me. Sometimes I can grab that sleeve near the wrist, heave the person in the direction of the sleeve to make him or her post, use my sleeve grip to pin the posting hand to the floor and go for the duck-under, but it's a brute force move and I haven't been able to make it work reliably. I have not been able to make it work at all in no-gi. In fact, my best option so far has been to not give up that grip in the first place. For me, at my present skill level, against a crucifix player, it's a mistake 100% of the time. YMMV.

Now, if I'm in turtle and my partner is on one side of me, I find that if I have an arm close to my opponent's knees and I can keep a grip on the *outside* of either pantleg, they can't force a crucifix position without first breaking that grip. Plus, that grip might set something up for me such as a sit-through, a guard replacement (if I pick the outside of the knee closest to my face) or a double leg (if I pick the outside of the knee closest to my own knees). The crucifix player might still attack my other arm and there are plenty of other things they can still do to me, but no trapped elbow = no crucifix.
 
Escaping the crucifix isn't easy, and probably won't work as long as the opponent holds a tight seatbelt (unlike the illustration pic),
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I myself have started to learn the crucifix and I would like to ask about this especially, whenever I've had a over/under from the crucifix against some higher level belts, they usually will sit up away from me and escape. I can't use the over/under to pull them towards me when they get that far up and I was wondering if you had any advice about that exact situation.

I would assume hip scooting out can break them back down?
 
I myself have started to learn the crucifix and I would like to ask about this especially, whenever I've had a over/under from the crucifix against some higher level belts, they usually will sit up away from me and escape. I can't use the over/under to pull them towards me when they get that far up and I was wondering if you had any advice about that exact situation.

I would assume hip scooting out can break them back down?

I'm not great at the crucifix, though I use it, but I think what I do in this situation is to either 1) stop them early by shrimping away and pulling them backwards down to the mat, or 2) sit up with them to try and keep my chest glued to the upper back (while trying to pull my seatbelt through their chest) or 3) switch my underhooking arm to the opposite armpit and lock up a brabo choke from the bottom.
 
You have to shrimp before they put the nails in your hands and feet
 
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