Crossing your legs from rear mount, gets you submitted?

[PikeKing]

hi guys

i finished watching the Matt Hughes instructional.

in it he states that when he has someones back, he will never cross his legs as he could get subbed from there, then his training partner proceeded to cross one of his own legs over matts.

i have not seen this before, unfortunately the full hold wasnt shown.

any idea what this was?

 

[sak]

your ankle

 

[Flounder]

Yeah, there's an ankle lock from there. It's funny. There was a guy at NAGA yesterday who was doing pretty good (I think up 8-0 on his opponent), had the guys back working for the choke, crossed his legs, got submitted AND tweaked his ankle all at the same time.

 

[ks1911shooter]

Yep, if you figure four your legs over his crossed ankles, you can cause a simple and painful ankle lock.

The key is to put the correct leg over though. If your opponent on your back has his feet crossed with his right feet on top, then you use your right leg over his ankles for the figure four.

 

[kidrobot]

if you step over your opponents ankles when they are crossed you can break them. I've seen some people submit from this.

 

[krait]

Its an ankle lock. You never cross your feet when yo have back mount. You rown feet lock each other and when they cross their leg over the top they simply raise their hips and you get ankle locked.

 

[PikeKing]

thanks for the replies guys

 

[ElKarlo]

He would've used his foot to grab the guys crossed ankles and would've pulled down and back. This puts strain on the ankle, and is a god defense.

 

[Lopyswine]

a purple belt did it to me a few weeks ago. I still have a bruise and it hurts to stretch...

i learned my lesson.

 

[PikeKing]

is it viable to attempt to cross the guys legs to use as an escape?

 

[fried ectoplasm]

NEVER EVER EVER CROSS YOUR LEGS FROM REAR MOUNT AS IT HURTS.

Seriously, my first week I got a blue belts back and did that and he stopped me and gave me a quick demonstration of why you never cross your feet. Needless to say the pain was enough to keep me from making that mistake again.

 

[irc]

is it viable to attempt to cross the guys legs to use as an escape?

you can cross his legs and submit him. It is not an escape, though.

Crossing your ankles when you have someone's back is a quick way to get your foot broken. There is almost no warning between them applying the lock and your foot breaking. It comes on very fast and you may not ever have a chance to tap.

 

[PikeKing]

i meant as a way to make him abandon his choke, to create an opportunity to escape

 

[Timbaland]

I got owned one time when my training partner used his legs to cross my ankles really quick and did that. That was the only time its ever happened.

 

[Zankou]

i meant as a way to make him abandon his choke, to create an opportunity to escape

Yes, you can do this, and it's pretty viable. It's also a good way to stop your opponent from "cheating" a bit by crossing his feet. Many people (including me) will occasionally cross their feet a little, knowing full well that it poses a risk. If you catch them pushing the line like that, you can sometimes nail them.

You can also simply reach down and cross the feet yourself.

Either way, when your opponent feels the cross coming on, he will generally widen his hooks, which may make it easier for you to escape.

 

[PikeKing]

anyone know where i can see more on this? i[m injured and off training so cant try it yet

 

[Krimzon]

this sub is actually in a weird strat of mine.

Sometimes I intentionally give up my back. Most people i roll with now know not to cross their feet when they take the back so i try to get their feet in between my thighs and i bring their feet together by squeezing my thighs together --> ankle lock.

a strange thing is that the last 2 times i tried that (with the sub seemingly fully locked) my opponents didn't tap. At certain degrees into the submission, you can "feel" your opponent's pain. You can sense when your opponents ankles are about to snap but when i tried it to them, it never got to that "pain" sequence. They both happened to be asian, maybe there's some sort of correlation...

 

[Simco]

There's not a whole lot to see. Maybe it's difficult to visualize but it's very simple.

 

[codemonkey76]

real smart technique, intentionally give up your back (4 pts) so you can maybe get an ankle lock if they are stupid enough to cross their ankles

 

[Foolkiller]

A gimmick I use now and again is to not cross my ankles but squeeze one of my big toes between the opposite big toe and fourth toe and put the flats of my feet together. It's not very secure but it's safer than crossing your ankles over one another.