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Discussion in 'Dieting / Supplement Discussion' started by AXelator, Aug 25, 2010.

  1. AXelator

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    Quick question, would you suggest taking creatine monohydrate (loading then taking 5g a day) if you're fighting every 2-3 weeks or so? Is the extra weight gain from water worth the extra energy and power I will get? How bad can I expect the water retention to be?

    Also can anyone reccomend good multi vitamins and fish oils available in the UK?
     
  2. CYBORG MONDO

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    whos fighting that often?
     
  3. AXelator

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    me, can you awnser?
     
  4. Mayoman

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    To be honest man, I would not reccommend taking creatine (especially mono). Creatine is somewhat effect and has been shown to increase weight. But what you have to understand is SUPPLEMENTS ARE FUCKING WORTHLESS. I make this statement based upon about 7 years of lifting, my own research into nutrition, and my college education.

    But to help with your questions, The reason you have to load and take some much monohydrate is that your body simply will not absorb it. Citrate has been shown to be much more effective at getting absorbed. Also your renal system (Kidneys) has a hard time getting rid of the creatine that is never going to get absorbed.

    I would think that your biggest problem is not resting. If your fighting that often, which i would assume your training in between there, you are not getting anywhere near the recovery time that is needed for muscle repair and growth.

    And how in the hell are you not getting injured. And as for the water weight issue. That is a common misconception that gets a bad name. Putting on water weight is a GOOD thing when it comes to getting bigger. If your body is willing to start holding onto water its more than likely that it will eventually make its way between the cells of your muscles.

    Really the best thing you can do for yourself is to sleep and stop overtraining. Fighting that often and training that much will never let you get bigger.
     
  5. AXelator

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    Luckily I havent had any major injures. I got a cut above my eye which kept me out of fighting for about 5 weeks, sporting an injured knee right now but it's nothing serious. In Thailand it's usual to fight every three weeks. I want to do amt boxing when I get home too, you can fight very often in this too?

    Seems odd that you would say creatine is useless I've heard nearly everyoen else say it's essential.
     
  6. Mayoman

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    Sorry I forgot the other questions. I would say that everyone after the age of 18 needs to take fish oils. I would say any brand would do. Dont buy into the hype of all the name brands and suppossedly "all nautural" pills. I would actually reccommend taking a Combo pill of Fish and flax seed oil.

    Multi vitams are worthless also, but if you decide to take one you should take a multi vitamin pack instead of one single pill. It all goes back to the same issue of our bodies simply wont absorb the damn things. I buy my items off the internet at DPSNUTRITION.net I dont know if being in the UK will be an issue with shipping. You can look either into "Nature's best" multi vit one a day packs or "Beverly International" makes a pack also.

    Look buddy, proper nutrition, rest and busting your ass in the gym is 1000x more effective than any supplements.
     
  7. Mayoman

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    LOL, Please give me an example of a person who would say its essential and please enlighten me of their education, background, and reasoning behind the statement.

    Also people will give you the same old speech about that "creatine has been the only supplement shown to work"

    Now this is a double standard statment. 1. The FDA does not test or endorse supplements. The are soley a take at you own risks kinda thing and you have to believe them that they work. 2. This statement is true about creatine because ITS BEEN THE ONLY SUPPLEMENT tested by an accredited organization. So yes it was shown to be minimally effective at muscle recovery, but of course its the only one because its been the only one tested.
     
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  9. AXelator

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    Well I'll wait to hear some more opinions,you might be right, they just sound kind of extreme. I've heard John Berardi say that it's rare that he wont get his athletes to take there 5g of creatine a day.
     
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    Creatine is one of if not the most over hyped supplements on the market. You're better of jumping rope for that 30 seconds that it takes to drink/consume creatine.

    To add some context, I've taken various forms and brands and have had zero results. Even when it does work with a certain population, the gains are so minimal, the value for what you pay doesn't justify the purchase even when its dirt cheap in bulk especially if you suffer from a bloat.
     
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    So , tell me how your kidneys are going to have problem getting rid of something that you never absorb? or your kidneys "filter" things from your stomach?
     
  12. Ian Coe

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    Creatine is a food supplement. This is correct. You can get the same cellular levels from 5lbs of red meat a day. However there are complications (not to mention a light wallet) from that much meat, so supplementation with a powder is cost effective.


    In regard to your second remark, creatine might have been shown to be minimally effective at muscle recovery, but that is not what it is meant for. It is there to increase the stores of, colloquially put, energy, in the ATP cycle.

    Also, don't put your main 'argument' in capital letters. It's not necessary. We can all read.
     
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  13. Ian Coe

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    How tall and heavy are you presently?
    In my experience it takes about a week to lose the water weight, however there is a psychological aspect you need to take into account (you think you'll be weaker and thus 'feel' weaker).
    You usually put on 3-4lbs in water weight, although it can be more.

    People respond to it in different ways. There are some non responders, but the level to which it effects you is based on diet (ie if you eat a decent amount of red meat, you will only marginally respond to the supplementation).

    I use myprotein as you will see from my sig. Decent prices and a quick turn around time (maybe 2-3 days from time of order).

    Re fish oil. They sell up to 6000 pills. It works out to about .03p a pill I think, I forget now. FYI put them in the freezer or they won't last. The freezer thing also reduces the likelihood of 'fish burps'.
     
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    AXelator, for people concerned with lifting e.g strength / hypertrophy gains creatine is definitely worth taking (IMO). Building on what Ian said, it increases ATP stores which become depleted when you are out of glucose, so you can keep working a little harder. I'm not sure how it would affect your fighting, but for increasing strength / weight training take it.

    Ian he's out in Thailand so myprotein can't help him lol.

    Oh, regarding the FDA approval, even by going to the Wiki you can see the references of numerous posted studies about creatine, totally independent of the FDA? And who cares bout FDA approval anyway lol.
     
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    Cheers guys, I use myprotein when Im back in the UK for my whey. Couldnt find any multivitamins on there site that look good though, do you guys buy any multi vitamins from there site. Heading back to the UK on Tuesday that's why I'm asking now,

    I'm 5ft 10 and fight at 75kg. I only do strength training 2 times a week at the moment. However am I right in thinking creatine will help with things such as shorter sprints too? I use those in my training too. I'm mainly focusing on improving my cardiovascualar conditioning at the moment.

    Also anyone know if dandelion root is legal/easy to get in the UK?
     
  16. Ian Coe

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    My bad. I skimmed the first post and started getting annoyed at the self pompus, self taught guy.

    FDA is a bit of a spoil sport when it comes to most supplements (IMO). Some people think they ban things that work so that pharmaceutical companies don't have the competition. I'm leaning that way the more they interfere.
     
  17. Ian Coe

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    Just realised it's because of your location that I said myprotein.

    To be honest I don't use their multis. I try and get what I can through fruit and veg ad the ocassional greens supplement. Their B vitamin is pretty good (steady energy boast). I use them for the whey (10lbs unflavoured for
     
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  19. Ian Coe

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    I'm one of those sauna suit guys and not drinking much. I used to sleep in loads of layers of clothing as well. Never heard of the old dandelion route tbh, interesting.

    Yeah, the whole not wiping the floor with them leading to loses is why I ended up packing it in. Doesn't pay well overal (unless you take up teaching to make ends meat, and I'm not that patient)

    Yeah just omega 3's mate. You get enough (/too much) 6 and 9 in your everyday diet.

    Did you train in the UK and from which gym?
     
  20. Blackice

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    This goes to show you just how much YOUR college education, self research and lifting experience is worth. First of all...you don't have to load with creatine. It works through saturation, thus 5 grams per day is all you need to be taking to see results. It's also one of the cheapest and most effective strength training supplements on the market, and most people who lift seriously take it. It's in red meat so it isn't going to destroy your kidneys. Monohydrate is the best type of creatine to use. I don't know where you're getting this citrate shit from.

    Regarding your statement that multis are useless....no they aren't. They are cheap insurance for people who may not be getting all the nutrients they need from their diet, and they are not all created equal. The same goes for fish oil. Children can take it, and there are definitely huge differences in quality regarding brands.

    As far as showing you who approves creatine and it's effectiveness...read the large thread on creatine in the faqs. That information pretty much sums up what you know excuse me..what you THINK you know about nutrition. Oh yeah...stop giving advice on here until you get a clue.
     

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