Crazy Scandal Rocks Argentina

" Argentina releases dead prosecutor's evidence on Iran cover-up "

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.638576
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Pretty obvious Nisman was murdered, but by whom??

It is seems counter productive for Kirchner's circle to do it since it immediately puts them in the cross hairs.

If Kirchner and Co. did it then why did they just stand by and let Nisman investigate and compile the report?? Why wait till the end ?

Nisman accuses the Kirchner government of a cover-up, but is the evidence he brings forth conclusive in this regard?

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Am agnostic on whether Kirchner's people did the hit . Don't have any opinion on who might have carried it out.
 
Pretty obvious Nisman was murdered, but by whom??

It is seems counter productive for Kirchner's circle to do it since it immediately puts them in the cross hairs.

If Kirchner and Co. did it then why did they just stand by and let Nisman investigate and compile the report?? Why wait till the end ?

One reason is that they may have hoped to pressure him, tame his testimony, or shut him down (such as with the ca$$$$h bribe that Rod1 mentions) short of having him outright assassinated.

As those avenues failed, and he was just hour away from testifying, all options short of actually capping the guy ran out. It was either fish or cut bait.

The timing suggests that whoever killed him had hoped the issue would be resolved before he testified. Since it's hard to imagine the Iranians taking that position, it would seem more consistent with an Argentinian gov't killing.

Hopefully we find out more details and it doesn't all get buried in an Argentinian swamp.
 
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Lol. Could they have made it more obvious? The backtrack by the president is the icing on the cake though. Just wauw. Though from what I've heard, she's completely batshit (e.g. wants to reclaim the falkland islands even if it means war with the UK). So not too big a suprise.

IDL we need you on this! Find the truth!
 
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One reason is that they may have hoped to pressure him, tame his testimony, or shut him down (such as with the ca$$$$h bribe that Rod1 mentions) short of having him outright assassinated.

As those avenues failed, and he was just hour away from testifying, all options short of actually capping the guy ran out. It was either fish or cut bait.

The timing suggests that whoever killed him had hoped the issue would be resolved before he testified. Since it's hard to imagine the Iranians taking that position, it would seem more consistent with an Argentinian gov't killing.

Hopefully we find out more details and it doesn't all get buried in an Argentinian swamp.

If this was the upper echelons of Argie government, they are incredibly and stupendously amateurish. I just find it hard to believe they were this incompetent .

Why not sabotage the investigation from the get go ? If Nisman would not accept bribes, then kidnap and or knock him off early on; it's not like the Argies are strangers to government enforced disappearances.

I don't know man, it all is rather fishy and not clear cut (for me atleast).

What will matter now is just how incriminating the report is. If it is far from an open-n-shut case implicating the Kirchner government, then that seriously introduces skepticism about Kirchner and Co. carrying out the hit.

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The other question is: who here would not hit Christina Kirchner?
 
" Argentina releases dead prosecutor's evidence on Iran cover-up "

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.638576
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Pretty obvious Nisman was murdered, but by whom??

It is seems counter productive for Kirchner's circle to do it since it immediately puts them in the cross hairs.

If Kirchner and Co. did it then why did they just stand by and let Nisman investigate and compile the report?? Why wait till the end ?

Nisman accuses the Kirchner government of a cover-up, but is the evidence he brings forth conclusive in this regard?

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Am agnostic on whether Kirchner's people did the hit . Don't have any opinion on who might have carried it out.

But dafuq is the point of bombing a jewish place all the way in Argentina? Why don't Quds Force just blow up something in Israel? It would sting more. Were they trying to scare jews out of latin Murica?
 
If this was the upper echelons of Argie government, they are incredibly and stupendously amateurish. I just find it hard to believe they were this incompetent .

Why not sabotage the investigation from the get go ? If Nisman would not accept bribes, then kidnap and or knock him off early on; it's not like the Argies are strangers to government enforced disappearances.

I don't know man, it all is rather fishy and not clear cut (for me atleast).

What will matter now is just how incriminating the report is. If it is far from an open-n-shut case implicating the Kirchner government, then that seriously introduces skepticism about Kirchner and Co. carrying out the hit.

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The other question is: who here would not hit Christina Kirchner?

Mom fetish?
 
An Argentinian prosecutor who was investigating the bombing of a Jewish center, and who had reported evidence of a secret coverup deal between the Argentinian gov't and Iran, died on Monday, just hours before he was set to testify about this secret deal to Argentinian lawmakers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/23/w...changes-position-on-alberto-nisman-death.html

Argentina's president declared his death, absurdly, a suicide.

It was patently clear he was assassinated. But now Argentina's president has tried to reverse position and cover her ass, saying that his death WASN'T a suicide, but rather something that was done to try so smear her.

tl/dr version, at this point it looks like Argentina's gov't assassinated the prosecutor -- either that or you believe her apparent claim that he was assassinated to smear her (which LULZ). Epic scandal now to follow.

Why would Argentina conspire with Iran to blow up a Jewish centre? What would it gain Iran to destroy a Jewish centre in Argentina?
 
Wikileaks had many reports about Nisman activities directly consulting to the CIA about his investigations. The reason why? Simple (and it's stated in those backchannels) that the US didn't like Kirchner's resolution to make AMIA case just in between Iran and Argentina laws. Not everyone else's... something that you all must know that isn't a very likable position for the US.
Truth is, by doing this, Cristina secured oil trades with Iran in the meantime that the trial was being carried. And she ensured that the accussed were retained here and/or Iran.

It's supposed that Nisman did know this and was about to expose it. BUT, he was also going to be exposed as someone who worked with the CIA (US wanted to participate in the trial, and wanted to be sure that those to be blamed are the Iranians and not Sirians or some terrorist act by own argentinians)

My guess is that he couldn't bare the fact that wasn't going to be successful in his allegations about Cristina's plans and that his reputation would be tainted with his CIA cooperation. Wasting 2 years of investigation and pressure, he was induced to kill himself.
 
Media here is going nuts. We have a very polarized country between opposition and pro-kichnerism and as the elections are coming late to this year, every politician comes out from where they hide, taking a position as they fit in their narrative.

I'ts really fucking disgusting.
 
Why would Argentina conspire with Iran to blow up a Jewish centre? What would it gain Iran to destroy a Jewish centre in Argentina?

Apparently Menem took bribes and kichner secured some economic deals.
 
Apparently Menem took bribes and kichner secured some economic deals.

Okay.

Also, the attack was 20 years ago and this was an -investigation-.

I can see why the government, which was getting serious kick backs, would maybe want to cover this up.

Still, Iran attacking a Jewish centre in a Hispanic country a world away? That's an odd target to hit against Israel.
 
Crazy story. Who knows what really happened.
 
Okay.

Also, the attack was 20 years ago and this was an -investigation-.

I can see why the government, which was getting serious kick backs, would maybe want to cover this up.

Still, Iran attacking a Jewish centre in a Hispanic country a world away? That's an odd target to hit against Israel.

So, is Argentina's president basically their version of Palin? She sounds nuts.
 
Unless this causes the residents of argentina to absolutely lose their shit over this im not interested.

Here's hoping they do something about it.
 
But now Argentina's president has tried to reverse position and cover her ass, saying that his death WASN'T a suicide, but rather something that was done to try so smear her.

Leave it to a woman to try and make an assassination of a man all about her.
 
Spies, lies and death: plot thickens in Argentine scandal

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BUENOS AIRES (Reuters) - Alberto Nisman was working hard to prepare for a congressional hearing on his claim that Argentina's president tried to whitewash Iran's alleged involvement in a bombing that killed 85 people, a make-or-break day in his career as prosecutor.

In the spotlight since leveling his hefty accusations last week, Nisman needed to make a convincing case, based on a decade of work with spy agencies around the world.

So he put in the extra hours at his Buenos Aires apartment on Saturday. Friends described him as upbeat and determined ahead of his appearance and he was scheduling interviews with journalists for the coming days. He also reportedly wrote up a list of groceries he would ask his maid to buy on Monday.

But Nisman, 51, never made it to Monday. He was killed by a bullet to the head and his body found on the floor of his bathroom on Sunday night.

Officials initially said he apparently committed suicide with a 22 caliber gun borrowed from a distant colleague, and a source close to the judicial investigation who visited the scene told Reuters there was so much blood that no one could have left it without leaving a trace.

But from day one, most Argentines, including his family and friends, refused to believe Nisman committed suicide. The timing was too suspicious, the circumstances too mysterious, and they say he was simply not that kind of man.

"No one believes the suicide hypothesis," said one person on Nisman's investigative team, who declined to be named for fear of repercussions and preferred not to use his cellphone, believing it was tapped.

"He was very convinced of his ideas and prepared to see them through. He had received threats all his life and it never intimidated him," he told Reuters.

President Cristina Fernandez has come around to that view, too, saying on Thursday that she was "convinced" it was not a suicide. People had led him astray in his investigation in order to smear her name and then "needed him dead", she said.

She did not, however, say who ordered his death and no arrests have been made.

The case has convulsed Argentina and set off a storm of conspiracy theories, many pointing at Fernandez herself, Argentine intelligence services, or Iran, or all three.

Questions abound.

Why would Nisman kill himself on the eve of the hearing in Congress after dedicating years to investigating the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires and believing he was on the cusp of proving a cover-up at the highest levels of government?

If Nisman was so much under threat as to warrant the police assigning him 10 bodyguards, why was none of them in the building at the time?

When they could not contact him all of Sunday, why did they wait for his mother to arrive with a spare key in the evening rather than force the door open?

"The causes of the death are not clear ... and clarification is today an imperative of maximum priority for all of Argentine society," the president of the Jewish Association AMIA, Leonardo Jmelnitzky, said at an event in front of the center that was bombed in 1994.

"Once more a family has been destroyed - two girls are without a father, a mother will always cry for her son."

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Instead of vowing to shed light on the matter, Fernandez and her government have been on the defensive, trying to refute Nisman's claims against her - that she wanted to block his investigation in order to normalize relations with Iran and get access to its oil.

Argentine courts have accused a group of Iranians of planting the bomb at the community center but Iran has always denied any involvement in the attack.

Some have suggested Nisman may have killed himself after realizing his report was based on false evidence. It was met last week with criticism that it relied too heavily on hearsay.

New findings over the past few days have cast doubt over Nisman's state of mind.

Friends and colleagues say he appeared upbeat. When one asked him via Whatsapp on Saturday afternoon how he was getting on, his response was a photo of piles of documents and highlighters.

To a journalist for Clarin newspaper, Nicolas Winaski, he wrote "Everything will be known, Nicolas, you will see", saying that he was "calm" and adding a smiley face to his message.

But that same day, Nisman asked to borrow a gun from a colleague, apparently saying he needed it for self-protection even though media reports say he already had guns registered in his name. The borrowed gun was the one found by his body.

The case keeps taking new twists. While the security ministry originally said it found Nisman's flat locked from the inside, suggesting he was alone, the locksmith who forced entrance into the flat said the door was merely pulled shut with the keys in the lock.

The prosecutor probing the case has called for patience. She is waiting to talk with Nisman's doctors and see the results of toxicological and psychopathological checks, and said she would not be influenced by the president's comments.

"She is free to have an opinion like any citizen," Viviana Fein said. "I am focused on my investigation, on what I will achieve and discover along with the judge working with me."

Argentines say they have already waited more than 20 years for answers to the 1994 bombing and they fear justice won't be done for Nisman either.

Whatever the outcome of the investigation is, the crisis has hurt the leftist Fernandez. While thousands of protesters gathered outside her residence this week, some shouting "murderer", more sober critics have attacked her handling of the matter.

So far, she has limited her response to rambling Facebook posts.

Nisman's death has raised serious doubts among Argentines about the intelligence service, the justice system and politics. Many have taken to social media to complain about the state of their country.

Jose Mujica, the outspoken president of the small, neighboring country of Uruguay, said he felt sorry for Argentina and that its justice system needs to clear up the case to maintain "the minimal confidence our societies need".


http://news.yahoo.com/spies-lies-death-plot-thickens-argentine-scandal-200158709.html
 
I read that Nisman had no traces of gunpowder on him, also i doubt that a man gonna dedicate all those years on an investigation based on false evidence.
 
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