Couture vs Jacare

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  1. The Alpha Male

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    Hey guys, does anyone know where I can find the full match online? The only thing I can find is a preview of the grappling match. Thanks!

     
  2. SFinclined

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    You aren't missing anything, Couture stalled the entire match.
     
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    I think they sell the la sub x event DVDs online somewhere. Good match ups! The Couture vs Jacare match was relatively uneventful, but iirc jacare had a couple of nice leg attacks I think.
     
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    Jacare had a sick kneebar attempt at the end of the first period.

    He also almost took Randy down with a single leg from a deep half standup.
     
  5. The Alpha Male

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    Oh wow. Even though I have heard some people on here say that Couture just played defense, it's still nice to look at and absorb all the positional details of the match. Because after all, position precedes submission.
     
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    Frankly, the fact that Randy was able to not get subbed by Jacare was fantastic.
     
  7. wOg

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    I have to admit that this sentiment drives me crazy. It reminds me of how MMA crowds tend to cheer louder when guys escape submission than when they are caught in them in the first place.
     
  8. knoxpk

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    It depends, even in BJJ they say position> than submission. So (in mma) you are far more effective landing strikes from a position of advantage.

    It seems here that even failed submissions > than position. Randy and Jacare train for 2 different things as the "main" or previous thing yet share MMA as a common game they both play.

    Randy trains to take people down and control them as his "past" and main game and over the last several years he has used that to win titles. Jacare focuses on something slightly different yet is also great in MMA.

    The fact that Randy was able to play what in essence was Jacare's game and still leave the mat with what most consider should have been a decision loss but ended up a draw speaks volumes. I sincerely doubt that Jacare could play Randy's prior game and leave without at LEAST getting tech'd most likely pinned. I dont think that Jacare could even stall his way to a decision loss let alone a draw with Randy in any form of wrestling match, freestyle/folkstyle..never mind greco!
     
  9. J Sho

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    meh, so a formerly elite wrestler outstalls a formerly elite bjj player he outweighs by 30 to 40 lbs.
     
  10. knoxpk

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    You forgot to mention this all happend in what was for all intents and purposes a bjj match.

    I wonder If jacare could stall his way to a draw vs a 160lb formerly elite (AND YOUNGER) Greco champion?

    HMMMM lemme think about that for 1/4 of a second. NO!

    :)
     
  11. fourfif**

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    he would get smashed.

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    five pointer, feet in the air and over his head, then touch fall.
     
  12. crocoppertones

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    two of the greatest black belts to ever hit the matt
     
  13. J Sho

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    not younger, but he seemed to do ok vs Lindland ;)

    YouTube - Ronaldo "Jacar
     
  14. knoxpk

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    its different and you trying to make a point where there cant be none, a wrestler and a bjj praticioner share one thing in comun, both look to control the opponent once they are on top, much different from a catch wrestler, who dives for submissions (damm I love to watch good catch guys) pretty much from anywhere... one of the big difference between a bjj guy and a wrestler is that in a wrestling match, YOU CANNOT LAY ON YOUR BACK with your both shoulders against the mat for like 3 secs (could be wrong, please correct me if I am)... we live and train off out backs, in a wrestling match, jacare could submmit randy with a tringle choke in a wrestling match, and he would've still lost the match... though a wrestler in a submission grappling match can do pretty much all they are train to do in they entire carrer...

    wrestling rules go against the nature of bjj, bjj rules do not go against the nature of wrestling rules, just add some more stuff like finishing the match... Please note that im not talking about details, im talking about the nature of both styles....
     
  16. knoxpk

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    You are on the right path but also you are a little off center. In the type of match they grappled in it took away Randy's greatest advantage and biggest asset in wrestling. The takedown.

    Remember also in the international wrestling styles exposure is rewarded, not control. It is all about exposing the opponents back in FS/Greco, while holding them there CAN win the match just exposing the back scores. So those styles train to take a man to his feet and towards his back. If you think of a Judo Ippon, this is also the same type of throw or takdown that gets rewarded the most.

     
  17. BJJ_Rage

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    im fairly ignorant when comes to rules of wrestling...
     
  18. Jdonw

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    Your point is mostly invalid since Randy trains submission grappling now and has for the extent of his mma career. If you are going to give Randy props for stalling out Jacare and not being submitted, you should also be congratulating Jacare for almost getting the take downs. The rules of the match favored stalling anyway.
     
  19. knoxpk

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    I was simply replying to this comment:
    and explaining how the "wrestler" portion of the equation was rendered largely invalid due to the rules. I went into detail above. I too think Jacare was the better sub grappler simply due to activity.
     
  20. Number1Wrestler**

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    Saying Randy stalled the entire match just doesn't make any sense. Its no different than saying that Tank Abbott's bench press wasn't legit because he bounced it off of his chest.
     

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