Couple Filipino Docs think Pac Shows Early Sign of Parkinsons

[KrazyKanadian]

http://www.badlefthook.com/2013/1/3...alzheimers-filipino-doctors-worry-boxing-news


Yeah, there isn't exactly much to it, but it would be real shit if that's true.

 

[Confucamus]

IF this is true, then he should retire immediately. What a damn shame if it is though. We don't need Manny to become another tragic "consequence of boxing." But I've only seen one or two reports on this. He should have the best medical team in America examine him thoroughly. Then I'd believe what I hear.

 

[nvs1985]

Its the same stuff as this?

Israeli neurosurgeon Jonathan Degen from Herzliya Medical Center claims WBC heavyweight champion Vitaly Klitschko is showing early symptoms of Parkinson's disease.
The doctor made his conclusion having watched the boxer in action. An expert in cognitive psychology and neuroscience, Degen advised the elder Klitschko to quit boxing immediately.
“Vitaly is a great champion, but he must take care of himself. I watch all his fights. And of course, I watched his clash against Tomasz Adamek on September 10. It was a total victory, but some dangerous symptoms in Vitaly’s behavior alerted me and I want to warn him. I think that 40 years is that age for Vitaly when it’s dangerous to continue boxing,” Degen told from-ua.com.
Parkinson's disease is a degenerative disorder of the central nervous system. It results from the death of dopamine-generating cells in the substantia nigra, a region of the midbrain. It has become almost a professional disease for boxers who receive a lot of hard punches to head during their career. Mohammed Ali is the most vivid example. The disease is currently incurable.
“I drew attention to Klitschko’s movement in the ring during the fight against Adamek as an expert,” the doctor added. “Note that he possessed full advantage, but was unable to deliver any knockout punch to a helpless opponent. It was hard for him to coordinate his body. Adamek received pokes instead of punches.”
“It’s impossible to beat all the contenders. He has already become a legend, now it’s time to take care of his health,” Degen concluded.
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Pick a boxer and claim Parkinson.

 

[Athenry04]

Early signs must be quite commonly spotted in boxers though, does it always fully develop after this?

 

[ZroC]

Why would bad left hook even endorse this crazy theory? We're meant to take the word of some random doctors in the Philippines who have never even met the guy? Fucking horrendous Scott Christ would waste time writing up an article on this.

 

[UL]

Rubbish article.

 

[Sunfish]

It's already in the non thread worthy thread, where it belongs.

 

[ZroC]

Manny denies claims. Says he has never met this doctor and has had brain scans. He is 100% fine. This is only one doc btw, not a couple.

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Pacquiao Rips Medical Claims: Eyes Two Fights
Posted by: Rafael Soto on 1/4/2013 .

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By Rafael Soto

Manny Pacquiao is quietly enjoying a long vacation with his family, and advisor Michael Konz, in Israel. He was surprised and upset with the statements made by Filipino neurologists Rustico Jimenez and Raquel Fortun, stating the fighter appeared to be displaying early signs of Parkinson&#8217;s disease.

According to Juan Carlos Torres, CEO of Zanfer Promotions [who promote Juan Manuel Marquez], he made a phone to Pacquiao and Konz to discuss the shocking medical claims that made the rounds in the media.

Pacquiao and Koncz were shocked and upset by the irresponsible statements of Fortun and Jimenez.

"Manny Pacquiao and Konz strongly deny the assertions of both doctors. They don't know them and have never met with either of them," Torres said.

Torres added that Pacquiao explained during the phone call that he underwent two rigorous head examinations - the first in Las Vegas and the other in the Philippines on December 12th - and he is 100% healthy.

"There is nothing to be worry about. I am 100% healthy and right now I'm enjoying this memorable vacation with my family in this beautiful country of Israel. I will return to the Philippines on January 14 and in early February I want to get to the gym because I want to have a fight in April and in September I want the fifth fight with Marquez," Pacquiao said.

"The statements by the doctors show a total lack of ethics and it was irresponsible [for them to say this]. This was just personal opinion and there were no medical tests."

In his last fight, on December 8, Pacquiao was knocked out in the sixth round by Marquez. It will likely be impossible for Pacquiao to fight in April, with the medical suspension due to the KO loss and the political campaign in May.

 

[zuffa zack**]

All the good Filipino doctors live in America. Or does that only apply to nurses?

 

[The Fan Man]

There are few trainers more aware and concerned with identifying fighters with signs of neurological conditions than Freddie Roach. I'm sure he's getting pretty good medical care.

 

[cuban23]

LOL yea this story is fake..

 

[Still Holdin]

IF Pac has brain damage then Rios wont make it to 40.

 

[Flexwave2003]

There are very serious consequences to those who dedicate themselves to combat sports like boxing. Unfortunately, most fighters never make the money a Pacman or Klitschko makes, and even then you have to ask yourself if its worth it? Because the consequences extend much further than not being as coordinated as you use to be.

These fighters deserve much more than they currently receive, where is the numerous boxing counsels, hall of fames, fans (?) etc. when these fighters start to break down from years of prize fighting in a ring? Nowhere to be found, thats where! Once their careers are over, thats it. No matter if the blows they received during their career have added up and will continue to take a toll.

Getting hit in the head doesnt make you any smarter, and over the long haul, has very serious and detrimental effects both physically and socially. These guys are pretty much used until they are no longer needed, tossed to the side like trash, and the next kid is lead into the gym or field to suffer the same fate.

Something should be done about this, as collecting a disability check for a few hundred a month only goes so far. All of these guys need to unionize and push for huge reforms. Most of these guys will never be on the scale of a pacman, yet will pay the price for their chosen career path the same as those who did make the money. If you truly enjoy these sports, one would think you would care about those who actually make it possible for those sports to occur/exist in the first place.

Currently, nobody really seems to give a shit and that has always struck me as a problem.

 

[mozfonky]

There are very serious consequences to those who dedicate themselves to combat sports like boxing. Unfortunately, most fighters never make the money a Pacman or Klitschko makes, and even then you have to ask yourself if its worth it? Because the consequences extend much further than not being as coordinated as you use to be.

These fighters deserve much more than they currently receive, where is the numerous boxing counsels, hall of fames, fans (?) etc. when these fighters start to break down from years of prize fighting in a ring? Nowhere to be found, thats where! Once their careers are over, thats it. No matter if the blows they received during their career have added up and will continue to take a toll.

Getting hit in the head doesnt make you any smarter, and over the long haul, has very serious and detrimental effects both physically and socially. These guys are pretty much used until they are no longer needed, tossed to the side like trash, and the next kid is lead into the gym or field to suffer the same fate.

Something should be done about this, as collecting a disability check for a few hundred a month only goes so far. All of these guys need to unionize and push for huge reforms. Most of these guys will never be on the scale of a pacman, yet will pay the price for their chosen career path the same as those who did make the money. If you truly enjoy these sports, one would think you would care about those who actually make it possible for those sports to occur/exist in the first place.

Currently, nobody really seems to give a shit and that has always struck me as a problem.

It's true, I have always done my own miniscule part in trying to warn young men I come across but one person can only do so much. Especially when the promise of glory and money is in a persons eyes. I've gotten to the point where I don't excuse the fighters anymore, I've told some guys before that "it's your fault". Look, no one can use you and exploit you unless you allow them to, it's the way of the world, I know but it does not have to be. We all have free will, if all the workers who got treated like shit had the balls to just stop working all at once shit would change but people are small minded and they pay a bigger price over the long haul. I'll tell you the truth, it's a hell of a lot easier to feel sorry for some of these club fighters I've known who suffer severe damage for nothing at all AND you can tell they just didn't have the sense to know any better, truly sad, than it is for a guy like Mayweather, or whoever who will just squander their money.

 

[K4BOSH]

So is that how Marty McFly got Parkinson's? He took a lot of head shots in 1885, 1955 and 1985.

 

[mozfonky]

So is that how Marty McFly got Parkinson's? He took a lot of head shots in 1885, 1955 and 1985.

ironically, Howard Cosell had it too. Sometimes I don't know what to believe though, sometimes I think "Parkinson's" was doctors trying to come up with a diplomatic way of saying the beloved Ali was punch drunk. Why do I feel this way? Well, I've known lots of fighters, and observed many others, when they do show signs of damage there are common things, of course we know the speech is bad but there are many other things which Ali showed even back in the eighties, stumbling and so forth. I mean, unless there is a clear relation of Pugilistica Dementia and Parkinson's then I really think Ali got hit too much, just like many champs before and after him. Or maybe each fighters body reacts diffferently to the damage, or maybe Ali would have had it whether he fought or not.

 

[Reinhard]

All the good Filipino doctors live in America. Or does that only apply to nurses?

Nah, that's not true. There's a lot of top-notch facilities in the big cities with great doctors and what not, a prime example being St. Luke's in Manila. Though, yeah, the little 'hospitals' they got going on in the towns are very third-world and those top facilities are typically only accessible by the more fortunate.

 

[mozfonky]

Nah, that's not true. There's a lot of top-notch facilities in the big cities with great doctors and what not, a prime example being St. Luke's in Manila. Though, yeah, the little 'hospitals' they got going on in the towns are very third-world and those top facilities are typically only accessible by the more fortunate.

It would be too easy to question doctors in the philipines, just like for me, I was completely unimpressed by Puerto Rico's doctors and their handling of Camacho, completely unprofessional, didn't believe a word they said from jump street, not from "expected to live" to "had a heart attack in the middle of the night" I think they knew and didn't want to put that devestating news out to the public all at once. Just a gut feeling. BUT...I've never thought much of fucking doctors from anywhere, they are just people and they make plenty of fuckups so I don't look at them as special. You know, at my old gym there was a doctor, super good guy, did free work in Africa, good man but when I said "Lance Armstrong is on something" this educated derelict made a long spiel about how he didn't have to be on something, hell I am not a doc and I knew, a fucking three year old would know. Anyway, doctors have never impressed me and I do my best with just plain not needing them.

 

[yodsaenkla**]

There are few trainers more aware and concerned with identifying fighters with signs of neurological conditions than Freddie Roach. I'm sure he's getting pretty good medical care.

Do you really think so? I know he's got the condition himself but he seems most concerned with earning as much money for himself as possible.

That said this Doctor is in no position to make a diagnosis.

 

[mozfonky]

Do you really think so? I know he's got the condition himself but he seems most concerned with earning as much money for himself as possible.

That said this Doctor is in no position to make a diagnosis.

I really haven't detected a thing with Manny, I don't know what this docs talking about, like I said, i think he's just trying to get his name in the paper. Speech isn't the only sign but it is a main sign, Tommy Hearns, Riddick Bowe, Meldrick Taylor had speech problems from their mid to late twenties, Ali was obvious by the time he was 33 or so and it got really really bad from their but Ali happened to be at the peak of popularity at that point and there was too much money and love too for people to really notice. Also, I have nightly news show from the eighties where a camera surreptitiously zoomed in on hand tremors of ali's, this was a year before the Parkinson's diagnosis when people were still in denial of how badly Ali was hurt. There is also a recent video of duran with hand tremors also. Anyway, traditionally and honestly, doctors have never been the best for knowing when a fighter is done, traditionally it's the trainers who know, then the question is of ethics. Dundee used to have a joke with Ali when he was cassius clay, they would laugh at old shot fighters who couldn't jump rope with rhythm and say "when you get like that I'm gonna tell you" and sometime in the mid 70's Dundee did tell him "muhammad you're starting to stutter" meaning he was losing coordination. A doctor though? they don't know shit about boxing so what would they know from right or wrong?