Correlation between chin, ped, and trt

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  1. theheater

    theheater Silver Belt

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    anyone seeing a correlation between fighters that have used PEDs or TRT rapidly losing their chin afterwards?

    theres a bunch of guys with documented usage and then having troubles taking a punch after getting caught or discontinuing

    now since usada there is a growing list of highly suspected fighters that have their chins looking highly problematic

    sherdog is the home to bro science but do you believe that PED/TRT has a noticeable positive effect on your chin? also do you think discontinuing peds could cause a rapid decline in chin?
     
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    Post Crisis Professional Shit-poster

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    Seems so. Bigfoot survived Hunt in a crazy war while enhanced. There's other examples, but lazy
     
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    Arm Barbarian Titanium Belt Platinum Member

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    Doubtful it can be proven in terms of chin, but overall performance between TRT & drug-free fighters is almost night and day.
     
  4. LogicalMMAFan

    LogicalMMAFan Brown Belt

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    I don't think it effects the chin directly. Losing the sauce diminishes your strength, endurance, ability to heal, confidence, etc. When you pile all of these things up, you're more like to get knocked out.
     
  5. theheater

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    yeah this is the obvious one. the guy went from 5 round war vs hunt to getting popped and mirs jab being too much for him
    i agree with all of this except the fighters who get caught or are highly suspected seem to get rocked or dropped with lesser shots. i know its bro science at this point but i just get the feeling theres something to this

    i think a lot of people had these thoughts with the bigfoot situation but after seeing aldo get one punched by a short shot after a decade of dominance, the machida looking soft thread and his simulteaneous inability to take a shot, and now anderson getting rocked and dropped by bisping after discontinuing his super thai viagra it seems like evidence could be piling up. or at least speculative correlation
     
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    Post Crisis Professional Shit-poster

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    Hendo's chin fell off after TRT. Bonnar, Belfort, Leben, and Fitch got busted for roids. Guys were very hard to finish. Then there's guys like Chael though.
     
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    No trt hendo lost his chin completely.

    Big foot too.

    Definitely think there is some connection.
     
  8. theheater

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    not sure chael is relevant. he kept using til he retired so his chin always was what it was. in fairness to chael he never really had chin issues, once he got hit he curled up in to a ball and was never really out. vs anderson 2, rashad, and jones he didnt take all that much damage. his heart went well before his chin
     
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    zach lasseter Buttscoot boogie

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    I've heard PED users claim it makes you harder to Ko. Just watch franca vs sherk for a case study. Sherk ate huge knees several times while going for power doubles. Those knees looked like they should've comatose him.
     
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    Makes sense in most cases, but Anderson got KO'd before he got popped.
     
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    All these guys also lost their chins with age.
     
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    Certainly didn't help Mir. Ironically, aren't the fights after it got banned the one's he wasn't finished in?
     
  13. theheater

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    true but thats always going to be the case. until you get caught or they change the trt rules nobody is going to admit when and if they used. they are obviously going to be older their next fight

    anderson got cracked multiple times by weidman whos a huge MW and a strong dude. diaz never really dropped or rocked anderson. anderson pissed hot. bispings hands have never really done anything with one shot and he clearly dropped anderson with a less than stellar shot

    theres never going to perfect evidence. anderson and hendo are both old for fighters coming off of their sauce. chins do go with age also
     
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    Well.. same as the guy who mentioned Aldo before... Weidman placed a perfect hook on Silvas chin, same as Conor landed a perfect punch when Aldo was charging.

    Hendo and Bigfoot are the two best examples. There are a lot of guys who werent on TRT or never pissed hot but declined overnight and dont take punches as well since USADA is in town.
     
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    It's probably a mix Weidman, age, and PED's tbh.

    I think Overeem is probably a good example too seeing as after he got popped in the UFC he got TKO/KO'd 3 times in his next 4 fights.
     
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    This is the best example imo. TRTbigfoot ate huge shots and kept moving forward in the first fight. Second fight comes and nonTRTbigfoot folds faster than superman on laundry day.
     
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    His chin didn't look great in the second Cain fight either though, which was before that.
     
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    Too many variables to factor. So you will only get weak arguments. Basically, it can only be an opinion which I will give mine from from being a fan since MMA started.

    strong chin...

    Cranium and short neck. Somehow, people with even small chins take good punches due to large head. Short neck, seems to go with large head people. So not sure if it is one or the other. But, I do not believe huge traps like holyfield make your chin stronger. Its just a short neck seems to not whip as fast during impact so maybe that is why?

    Weak chins...

    Age, spine, small heads and being KO'd sttiff. Age, people just lose bone strength. They just become more fragile. Ever notice how old people do not turn as fast? Their spines are stiffer. Keith Jardine had a really stiff spine and wasn't he known for a glass jaw? I think it was his spine that helped him get KO'd so easily. I also notice people with small heads tend to have longer necks which during impact seems to whip their neck faster. Wanderlei Silva after taking that Cro Cop head kick....he was never the same. Liddell IMO just got OLD...Rampage in the first fight could not hurt chuck. But, in the second he just went down to a punch that was not on any specific spot on the head. Next Liddell was going down stiff.

    This is all I have noticed from observation though. I believe these things to be the factor. What I do not believe anymore in is that muscles and big chins equal chin strength. I do not think someone with huge traps takes a better punch. I think MMA fighters should not endure hard punches during training. Just look at Rick Story. Also, Conor McGregor speaks on this....how training too hard softens their fighters chin. I think wanderlei vale tudo had this philosophy of taking punches everyday to strengthen the chin.
     
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    Hendo definitely lost his chin after trt treatments stopped. I think there is definitely a correlation
     
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    Well Bigfoot is the one guy, that I think should be allowed to use it. He has his illness which is documented since his youth. And since he has problems making weight anyway he won't have that much advantage of TRT. It's not like somebody bulking up 30kg with it.
     

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