Cormier never fought a top MMA wrestler

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  1. JamesBJJ

    JamesBJJ Green Belt

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    Can we please wait until Cormier actually fights a top wrestler in MMA until we proclaim him to be a wrestling God who will take everyone down at will?

    Yes, Cormier has great wrestling credentials. But wrestling in MMA is different than wrestling in a pure wrestling competition. Stance is different, set ups are different, striking plays a very big role, etc. A wrestler with better credentials does not always outwrestle his opponents in MMA. Cormier has dominated and easily outwrestled everyone he has faced so far, but he has yet to fight someone who could be considered an elite MMA wrestler. Let's look at the fighters with best wrestling he has faced so far:

    - Barnett. Cormier dominated him wrestling wise. But Barnett was outwrestled many times before, including by non-wrestlers. Nastula took him down at will and easily controlled him on the ground. Nog took him down in both fights. Even a kickboxer in Crocop took him down from the clinch and controlled him on the ground. Barnett's takedown defense percentage on fightmetric is 54%.

    - Monson. He was a very solid wrestler and an ADCC champion. But again he is not someone that most would consider an elite wrestler. He was far from his best days when he fought Cormier too. Monson's takedown defense is 66% according to fightmetric.

    - Henderson. Despite awesome credentials on paper he was outwrestled in MMA many times. He was taken down by Shogun, Machida, Anderson Silva. Jake Shields took him down at will. Henderon's takedown defense is 58%.

    Now let's compare these three with Jon Jones. Jones' takedown defense is 96% according to fightmetric. He was taken down only once in his entire MMA career, when Gustafsson took him by surprise, and he got up seconds later.

    Jones has faced more and better wrestlers in MMA than Cormier has. He faced Rashad Evans, Chael Sonnen, Vladimir Matyushenko, Matt Hamill, Glover Teixeira and Ryan Bader. He outwrestled all of them, took all of them down, and wasn't taken down by any of them.
     
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    SuperNerd Season Mode.

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    Everyone DC beat sucks, so DC sucks.

    Pass.

    WATCH what he does.
     
  4. sadclown

    sadclown Banned Banned

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    good idea. let cormier fight and defeat himself first.
     
  5. SuperHoss

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    I agree. Too many people think that wrestling credentials= quality of MMA wrestling, despite the fact that it has been disproven on many occasions.

    I have a feeling that Cormier's takedowns are not as elite as some believe them to be. However, his TD defense is likely to be about as good as anyone's.

    Jones will be a great test of both.
     
  6. Roxxo

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    It's not just who he's beaten, but how he's done it.
     
  7. Jax Double Leg

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    But if DC can neutralize Bones' more unconventional attacks he should be OK>
     
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    Funny. I always thought Josh was a top wrestler. Clearly he has nothing on those massive 205 wrasslers... DC might as well just give up on this whole MMA thing. It's clearly not working out according to people on sherdog.
     
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    Why do u want discredit DC so hard ? Jones fans seems too afraid since gus fight.
     
  10. VinceArch

    VinceArch Venom in the veins.

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    In other words, TS hates DC.
     
  11. Peteyandjia

    Peteyandjia Winter Orchid Staff Member Forum Administrator

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    Josh Barnett is a top MMA wrestler.

    Grappling domination over Hendo makes one a top MMA wrestler.

    DC is unquestionably a top MMA wrestler.

    Imo
     
  12. Rozwell

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    Of all the stupid shit...
     
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    Yeah, but Cormier is undefeated whereas Jones lost to Hammil. Checkmate, Atheist.
     
  14. countswagula

    countswagula Gold Belt

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    Practically nobody is a top wrestler compared to him in his division(s)
     
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    DC is going to dump Jones on his head like he slipped on a bannana peel
     
  16. JamesBJJ

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    No, he really isn't. His submissions are top-notch, his wrestling leaves a lot to be desired to be considered a top MMA wrestler.

    Hendo is an elite wrestler on paper, being in the greco olympics 18 years ago. But he is not, and never has been, an elite wrestler in MMA fights, neither offensively and especially not defensively.
     
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    Yea, I'm sure Cain Velasquez likes to train with him because he's a scrub and Cain can just throw him around all day :rolleyes:.
     
  18. Rozwell

    Rozwell Banned Banned

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    Cain also thinks Khabib is a future champ! LOLZ! What a newb! He'd never get to yellow belt on these forums.
     
  19. Kanster

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    Which wrestlers does he need to beat?
     
  20. Rozwell

    Rozwell Banned Banned

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    The Top MMA wrestlers of course!

    The ones who won gold in the MMA Wrestling Olympics, duh!
     

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