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Businesses Chafing Under Covid-19 Lockdowns Turn to Armed Defiance
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/us/coronavirus-businesses-lockdown-guns.html

SHEPHERD, Texas — When Jamie Williams decided to reopen her East Texas tattoo studio last week in defiance of the state’s coronavirus restrictions, she asked Philip Archibald for help. He showed up with his dog Zeus, his friends and his AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.

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An armed protester provided support to the owner of a bar in Odessa, Texas, which reopened last week in defiance of an order that it remain shut.Credit...Eli Hartman/Odessa American, via Associated Press

Mr. Archibald established an armed perimeter in the parking lot outside Crash-N-Burn Tattoo, secured by five men with military-style rifles, tactical shotguns, camouflage vests and walkie-talkies. One of them already had a large tattoo of his own. “We the People,” it said.

“I think it should be a business’s right if they want to close or open,” said Mr. Archibald, a 29-year-old online fitness trainer from the Dallas area who lately has made it his personal mission to help Texas business owners challenge government orders to keep their doors shut during the coronavirus pandemic. “What is coming to arrest a person who is opening their business according to their constitutional rights? That’s confrontation.”

malls, restaurants and other businesses to reopen after a coronavirus lockdown, bars, salons, tattoo parlors and other enterprises where social distancing is more difficult were ordered to remain closed for a longer period.

In at least a half dozen cases around the state in recent days, frustrated small-business owners have turned to heavily armed, militia-style protesters like Mr. Archibald’s group to serve as reopening security squads.

The showy displays of local firepower are creating a dilemma for the authorities, who face public demands for enforcement of social distancing guidelines, but also strong pushback from conservatives in some parts of the state who are convinced that the restrictions go too far.

The broader political split came out into the open this week, when the Republican attorney general, Ken Paxton, issued a warning to three Democratic-led cities — Austin, San Antonio and Dallas — that their local Covid-19 restrictions were illegal under the statewide reopening order issued by Governor Abbott, also a Republican.

pro-gun movements in an independent state where “Come and Take It” flags are commonplace and amateur warriors patrol the southern border with Mexico.

armed members of the Michigan Liberty Militia challenged Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home orders recently inside the State Capitol, and armed members of the Michigan Home Guard helped reopen a barbershop in the town of Owosso. But Texas appears to be turning such goings-on into a cottage industry.

Around the state, groups of rifle-carrying demonstrators have volunteered their services to small-business owners, and have taken to social media to urge people to defy the authorities where necessary and reopen with armed support.

In recent days, Mr. Archibald has also brought his firearms to the illicit reopenings of a handful of bars, gyms and other businesses around the state. Days before the reopening in Shepherd, Mr. Archibald helped organize a protest outside an illegally reopened bar in the West Texas city of Odessa. That one ended with the authorities rolling up in an armored vehicle and arresting several of Mr. Archibald’s armed friends, along with the bar owner.

defying the authorities and became a national icon to conservatives opposed to state lockdowns.

Following the confrontations in Odessa and Dallas, police officials and local leaders have found themselves in a bind, especially after the governor spoke out on behalf of the Dallas salon owner and helped get her released by easing the punishment for violating his remaining lockdown orders.

The Odessa American.

The armed protesters are a varied lot scattered around the state, some of them with long-established groups, others forming new ones or acting as lone operators. J.P. Campbell, 45, a military veteran with the group Freedom Fighters of Texas, met Mr. Archibald face to face for the first time only during last week’s action at Crash-N-Burn.

“It’s not for looks,” Mr. Campbell said as he stood guard with a shotgun draped across his chest. “We’re willing to die.”

The groups walk a thin line between civil disobedience and political street theater in a way that has caused a split within the anti-lockdown movement, some of whose proponents oppose such brazen challenges to the authorities.

Gun control supporters have their own concerns about such tactics.

“People are nervous enough as it is, and then to see people walking around with AR-15s in public places, gathered together like that, is unnerving and upsetting,” said Ed Scruggs, the board president of the group Texas Gun Sense. “The entire goal is intimidation and attention.”

Friday’s reopening at Crash-N-Burn in the town of Shepherd unfolded quietly, except for Zeus. In the span of a few hours, the shop had 10 tattoo and piercing customers.

Some of the protesters say they are merely engaging in marketing — drawing attention to businesses so that their reopening attracts more customers — while others say they are part of a grass-roots rebellion against oppressive government.

“We go out there because we want peace, but we prepare for war,” said C.J. Grisham, 46, a retired Army sergeant whose gun rights group Open Carry Texas helped the arrested owner of the bar in Odessa get a lawyer. “I hope this never happens, but at some point guns are going to have to cease to be a show of force and be a response to force,” he said.

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Law enforcement officers arrested protesters outside of a bar in Odessa, Texas. The official who led the raid, Mike Griffis, the Ector County sheriff, has received numerous threats.Credit...Eli Hartman/Odessa American, via Associated Press












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I enjoy owning and protecting myself with guns. I concealed carry whenever I can, but this is utter bullshit and a perfect example of white privilege in action.
 
Yeah... This is how you get an unnecessary bloodbath.

Will be interesting if the authorities show up with a tank though. I wonder what that will be the catalyst for in public opinion, if anything?
 
Keep fucking around and find out how this goes.
 
I have a question for the constitutional scholars around here - so, everyone. Are these lockdowns/forced shutdowns unconstitutional? If yes, what parts of the constitution do they violate? If so, do you think there should be increased ability to suspend elements of the constitution in case of emergency? Outside of assigned reading as an undergrad I haven't read the thing, so I don't really remember what's in it beyond generalities.
 
I have a question for the constitutional scholars around here - so, everyone. Are these lockdowns/forced shutdowns unconstitutional? If yes, what parts of the constitution do they violate? If so, do you think there should be increased ability to suspend elements of the constitution in case of emergency? Outside of assigned reading as an undergrad I haven't read the thing, so I don't really remember what's in it beyond generalities.

That would be the first amendment. The right to peacefully assemble, gather, and protest are all included.
 
I say let these fuckers open up their businesses. Then if they die they die. Just dont tell me later on they want to sue cause the government let their stupid asses open their businesses and didnt send them to jail for doing so.
 
I say let these fuckers open up their businesses. Then if they die they die. Just dont tell me later on they want to sue cause the government let their stupid asses open their businesses and didnt send them to jail for doing so.

It is one of the beauties of the American system as is. If someone is a retard and gets themselves hurt/killed, almost nobody else is on the hook for it.
 
How the right manage to look like complete pussies with firearms and tactical equipment on is beyond me.
 
Not if you give a shit about your rights.

Fair enough. So, would you say that everyone who is pro-lockdown, and particularly the legal enforcement of lockdown, is basically willing to let the government trample on core rights despite not having legal ground to do so?

If that's what's happening, that's a troublesome precedent. I've been operating under the assumption that this stuff happening in the U.S. is happening under something like Canada's Emergency Act which allows for a lot of government special powers in times of emergency, making a lot of what's happening legal.
 
I have a question for the constitutional scholars around here - so, everyone. Are these lockdowns/forced shutdowns unconstitutional? If yes, what parts of the constitution do they violate? If so, do you think there should be increased ability to suspend elements of the constitution in case of emergency? Outside of assigned reading as an undergrad I haven't read the thing, so I don't really remember what's in it beyond generalities.
Even if it is unconstitutional, there are legal precedents that say you have to follow the law and any direction given by law enforcement, with court as your only recourse. If a cop walks up with his gun drawn and says "hold it. some random guy says you're bank robber" you don't have the right to keep walking, to run, to disarm him (even if it looks like he is about to shoot you) even if you know you're not a bank robber. It's fucked up, but that's the law. Only the courts can determine which laws are unconstitutional. In the meantime, you have to follow any order given or risk getting tased and shot in the face. LOL
 
Fair enough. So, would you say that everyone who is pro-lockdown, and particularly the legal enforcement of lockdown, is basically willing to let the government trample on core rights despite not having legal ground to do so?

If that's what's happening, that's a troublesome precedent. I've been operating under the assumption that this stuff happening in the U.S. is happening under something like Canada's Emergency Act which allows for a lot of government special powers in times of emergency, making a lot of what's happening legal.
In America, individual rights don't supersede community safety. Democracy is about protecting the welfare of all. There are literally thousands of legal precedents in this regard.
 
How the right manage to look like complete pussies with firearms and tactical equipment on is beyond me.
I've said it a million times, a lot of these conservative white guys running around with guns AREN'T GOING TO DO SHIT. It's all for show. They are not trying to lose their lives, freedom, pensions, SUVs, suburb houses with swimming pools. But, a handful are bonafide nuts and someone needs to identify them and target them for surveillance and apprehension.
 
In America, individual rights don't supersede community safety. Democracy is about protecting the welfare of all. There are literally thousands of legal precedents in this regard.
Wrong
 
I've said it a million times, a lot of these conservative white guys running around with guns AREN'T GOING TO DO SHIT. It's all for show. They are not trying to lose their lives, freedom, pensions, SUVs, suburb houses with swimming pools. But, a handful are bonafide nuts and someone needs to identify them and target them for surveillance and apprehension.
They think they look cool. Imagine spending thousands to look like a tool. Only time they actually use those guns is when they're missing targets at the range and if they're lucky they might get to shoot at a black person.
 
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