Consensus on Sanshou?????

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  1. EE6_TBOIO_MATb

    EE6_TBOIO_MATb Blue Belt

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    Hey guys,

    I'm never on the stand-up forum. I was curious about the opinion of people on sanshou.
    Is there a consensus that it's the next big thing since the wheel, or that it's some watered down Muy Thai with throws ? Is there a consensus at all ?

    From what I saw, they hardly focus on the knees, and it's a much faster game, with more high kicks and side-kicks. It seems to me a little less solid than Muy Thai, as far as the striking goes, like some kind of Savate / Kick Boxing.

    Then there are the throws, which I find amazing, and which add to the game, from an MMA point of view.

    So...any sanshouist (or whatever they're called ) here ?
     
  2. Tim Chan

    Tim Chan Amateur Fighter

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    san shou =/= muay thai.

    it is a different sport with different origins. anyone that says is watered down with throws is ignorant, and needs to watch some no rules lei tai san shou matches.

    knees are currently illegal in international rules, which change all the time. ss is a sport and not a style so u see ppl with mt, tkd, etc backgrounds in, which is the reason for different kicks.

    as for the next big thing? i dont think it'll reach mma's popularity any time soon.
     
  3. Vector_X

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    Truthfully I'm kinda ignorant about Sanshou tournaments. Does anyone have any good fights or videos they could link?
     
  4. PECK CHOKE

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    I think sanshou is a good because it teaches you striking, and throws, but you also need takedowns and submissions to be well rounded.
     
  5. kyokushinjitsu

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    I'm a kyokushin guy and I totally respect Sanshou!

    But... I still think kyokushin is better:p
     
  6. LOGAN X

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    Check this out : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanshou

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_huoKILUc

    I train in San Shou/ San Da for almost 3 yrs. now..( still got a shitload to learn) but I find that the integration of Muay Thai is prevalent more and more. IMO Muay Thai is definitely a faster paced style than SS/SD. I've only begun to train a bit more in MT and try to intergrate both, an almost hybrid style may be the goal. I believe SS is a great style to learn to transition from the stand up to grappling( throws takedowns).
    To say it may be the next best thing.. well we'll see what happens btwn Cung Le and Frank Shamrock.
     
  7. Vector_X

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    hmm ya it looks like it would be fairly practical in MMA. They sure wear a lot of protective gear though so I dunno. It certainly does look like some of it could easily be applicable in MMA.
     
  8. TheDavid

    TheDavid Banned Banned

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    San Shou/San Da is awesome!
    I've been doing kung fu for a long time and doing San Da free fighting for a long time and just recently really started getting into the san shou mindset for fighting.
    I think it is a great art unto itself and would also provide a great base for MMA as it deals with everything standing, except clinch fighting...although some places allow clinch striking.

    I fought for the first time last weekend and went 2-1 thus taking silver in my weight class. Some of the fights were pretty fast paced!
     
  9. Chonbody

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    I respect the hands, feet and throws of a true San Shou fighter and the sport probably needs someone marketable and talented like Cung Le before more schools start coming up. Was it the Human Weapon or that other fight show on Discovery Channel that covered it? It is definitely legit, I often think San Shou is what TKD originally was but of course the roots of each sport is different, and there are those throws.
     
  10. krellik

    krellik Gimli son of Cisco

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    Rulewise sanshou is definitively interesting for future mma competition. Stylewise it can certainly be interesting to partly because of the incoroporation of the throws into the standup, partly because of the wider range of kicks used.
    Certainly something thats fun as hell to do a few comps of and certainly also something thats good to get some crosstraining in with...
     
  11. EE6_TBOIO_MATb

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    Man, but these throws....
    How the hell do they get to do these Seoi Nage with freeking boxing gloves on ?

    That's what amazes me : the fluidity of these throws, taking in consideration the gloves.
     
  12. Flexwave2003

    Flexwave2003 International Playboy

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    Ive trained with many experts in numerous styles, from Kung Fu to Aikido and just about every kind of art in between.

    Ive found just about everybody Ive sparred with even at the higher levels to be similar in alot of ways to one another. Having had the chance to train with so many people, from different backgrounds I would have to say its not about the style, its about the man.
     
  13. LOGAN X

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    anyone see the cung le vs shamrock fight?
    Cung Le caught him with a text book san shou kick catch and leg sweep..it was beautiful.
     
  14. Brazilian HKD

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    yup see this video

    http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=FIHvEXm4G40

    some people still think that of they punch and kick = mt :rolleyes:
     
  15. ZGSON

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    Damn, I'm impressed.
     
  16. WNYguy

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    Its great stuff I've been training/sparring with a experienced San Da fighter (who is now 2-1 in MMA) for a couple years now and learned to respect all the angles and techs it has, especially the leg kick sweeps, whihc have become my favorite (although I already used them and have been banned from many dojos for dropping black belts on their heads one to many times in my past - I got mine from Pentjak Silat).

    Sanshou is similar to Chinesse Kickboxing with throws and to MT, but MT guys have all been owned by Cung Le, as well as all other styles of K1 strikers who tried his style against him (I always wondered if it was all just works, but thus far it/he looks very legit since hitting MMA).

    I think in MMA it will prove highly effective to those who can deal with a highly cerebral tool set. For others it will be way to much to deal with. Not everyone can use it the way Cung does, but I suspect top noetch athletes will start giving it more attention now.

    The game just keeps changin and I love it!! War standup striking with flavor!!!
     
  17. ATDI

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    I've only been taking sanshou for a month now, but my instructor includes knees, elbows, and the muay thai clinch. Seems pretty versatile to me with the throws and the powerful kicks, and the addition of a few muay thai aspects rounds it out very well.
     
  18. KillaC

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    Well I'll say this theres this chick that won some huge Sanshou tournament (I'm not sure which one but international and somewhere in Asia) and whenever she has a sanshou tourny she comes to my gym to train for it, doing exclusively Muay Thai to get her ready.
     
  19. Brazilian HKD

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    just like buakaw trains pure boxing before a k-1 max event

    and your point is?
     
  20. genejo

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    i train in san shou myself and a couple of our instructors have transitioned easily into judo after studying san shou, since many of the throws are essentially judo. my coach said something along the lines of, "i dont have to use gloves for these throws!? that's easy!"

    something to consider crosstraining in, for sure...
     

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