Social Conor Lamb, House Moderate, on Biden’s Win, ‘the Squad’ and the Future of the Democratic Party

Democrats always do this intense navel gazing, even after they win elections. Meanwhile Republicans just keep moving farther to the right. Conspiracy theories swallowed whole and no fucks given.
 
Ares Black said:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/maj...uch-as-paid-maternity-leave-free-college.html

https://slate.com/business/2020/11/progressives-election-minimum-wage-marijuana-medicaid.html

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...ressive-policies-that-make-families-stronger/

https://www.collegemedianetwork.com...s-supporting-progressive-policies-nationwide/

According to a late March 2019 CNBC All-America Economic Survey of almost 1,000 American adults, the United States is moving center-left on a wide variety of economic and political issues impacting their own personal lives. While the country has become more socially liberal on sociocultural issues such as LGBTQIA+ rights, abortion, cannabis legalization, and affirmative action for women as well as non-white persons of color, favorability for progressive fiscal policies are slowly rising.

The survey indicates support for proposed progressive fiscal programs are gradually on the rise with 84% supporting paid parental leave, 75% supporting public-funded childcare, 60% supporting a higher minimum wage, 57% supporting tuition-free and debt free public higher education, 54% supporting a Medicare for All single-payer healthcare system, and almost 30% support for a universal basic income.

The majority of the proposed policies are already becoming the mainstream within the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries. The future of action towards these progressive proposals will depend on the leadership within the Democratic Party as well as its state parties nationwide.
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Yep, policies are great, but they win elections even less than they did before.

By the time the Dem focus groups are sent home with their Chipotle gift cards, the Republicans have stuffed media channels with a few more fake scandals. The zone is constantly flooded.

You're totally right that current Dem leadership doesn't seem to understand how to connect with people. Candidates like Lamb are fine for the places where they run, but Democrats need to start leveraging social media and picking more interesting candidates than just the people who have been around the longest.
 
Headkicktoleg said:
Not a trump supporter. Hope 1 of the 3 bars you barback at are allowed to open.
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no you def are a HUGE Trump supporter. You’ve hung form his sack like a dog waiting for a treat the last 4 years.
But he does love dumb people like yourself, he’s said as much many times. The poorly educated he calls them and the posts of yours in this thread show that you’re def poorly educated.
 
Pelosi and Biden are the face of the party. The Democrats that lost their races are all blue dog corporatists. They didn't lose because of the squad. The swing district candidates obviously shouldn't support the same policies as AOC. But they likely lost because they were out of touch with their districts.

Forget fracking and refund the police. What about working class policies? What about stuff that would materially help the people in their districts? What have these politicians actually done for their district?
 
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This guy is everything I hate about democrats. "We can't solve problems, but here are some platitudes to sound like we want to."

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Couldn’t agree more with Lamb. Hope he keeps the seat as there are bigger things ahead for him. People like AOC really need to mature a little. There are times when she’s on fire but other times when she needs to understand her leverage with progressives and inability to control her messaging hurts her party.
 
Lead said:
I think it's someone who is in a state where those positions aren't as popular voicing his concern about making them the national policy. PA is one of the states it didn't poll as well in:
https://www.thirdway.org/memo/state...ll-could-cost-democrats-the-blue-wall-in-2020

As far as the NY Times decision to give him that platform to blast them, maybe there is a point there.



It's just one of the dilemmas you get with a two party system. AOC has already stated in most countries, her and Biden wouldn't even be in the same party but since we have a farther right group, you get them in the same party.
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Medicare for all didn't win. Bernie didn't win. Moderate Biden won, and he spent his entire campaign courting moderate Republicans. Why is this being blamed on AOC?

During the primaries the reason for the DNC preferring Biden over Bernie is that it would hurt down ballot races. Well, they got their way, they got their candidate. How are they still blaming progressives?

Florida passed a 15 dollar minimum wage but voted for Trump. Several Trump states passed marijuana legalization. These are things Democrats supposedly are in favor of but don't actually make any push for. Biden never talked about these things durinf his campaign.

The reality is Democrats ran a terrible campaign in 2020 with terrible leadership. They offered nothing of substance, no vision for the future, didn't talk policy, and only ran on "Trump bad". They did the impeachment stunt, which only increased Trump's approval rating. Pelosi blocked a stimulus bill right before the election, when people needed it the most. That's all on the Democratic leadership, not AOC or Bernie Sanders. If Democrats have any sense they will replace Pelosi with someone less hated and more competent.
 
Good lord, that interview showed the full view of Lamb's ignorance and fecklessness. He's simultaneously shifting between "policies, not candidates, matter" and "candidates, not policies, matter" and implying that fracking is a ballot-turning issue but that universal healthcare is not.

Yes, we get that "I'm a marine, a Christian, and a patriot" is a winning policy-less campaign message in rural Trump country. But not the nation and national conversation move according to Trumpian identity politics, and for the umpteenth cycle in a row "not standing for anything" is the most consistent criticism of the Democrats by voters...and this is due to hollow persons like Lamb.
 
Democratic party is where left goes to die. They allow some to speak the language of leftism e.g. "feel your pain" but give you obamacare - only a bill insurance companies could love (which is probably why their stocks skyrocketed after passing) This dude is a perfect example. Represents TPTB 1000%. Clever game the oligarchy play. Allow 10% leftist sheepdogs, like AOC and Bernie, and stack it with 90% Republicans like him.
 
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Katie Porter is to me the type of progressive we need to see in these swing states. Pro-working class, stands up to corporations and the elite, not funded by Wall Street, supports Medicare 4 all but not the more extreme leftist policies and doesn't engage in cultural wokeness.
 
Overtures said:
I support him. People should listen.


Trying to talk down hard lefters is as difficult as talking down Trumptards...


actually that was a joke. there's no comparison
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Who told you that MSM? Even fox watchers polled 74% positive on UHC. Biden says no.
 
StoneColdSteveAustin said:
no you def are a HUGE Trump supporter. You’ve hung form his sack like a dog waiting for a treat the last 4 years.
But he does love dumb people like yourself, he’s said as much many times. The poorly educated he calls them and the posts of yours in this thread show that you’re def poorly educated.
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Whatever helps you get through the days, which is apparently pretending other people are shittier than you.
 
Lead said:
It was a district that went strongly for Trump in 2016 but he managed to win it by under 1,000 votes.
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Only thanks to an orchestrated demon-crat election fraud operation!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
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@MMAisGod / @Jack V Savage , right out the gate, he discusses his unhappiness with how the defund the police message came about. He does have clear policies differences too but that one seems to touch on messaging v. policy aligning.
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It's a tough problem. I think a lot of the left genuinely believes that their ideas are super popular, and the only reason that mainstream Democrats don't just take the easy wins they could get by embracing them is that they're rather lose than go left, which I think is totally batshit crazy. Another situation (like the media faces) where just trying to get things right gets you enemies on both sides.
 
Ares Black said:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/maj...uch-as-paid-maternity-leave-free-college.html

https://slate.com/business/2020/11/progressives-election-minimum-wage-marijuana-medicaid.html

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...ressive-policies-that-make-families-stronger/

https://www.collegemedianetwork.com...s-supporting-progressive-policies-nationwide/

According to a late March 2019 CNBC All-America Economic Survey of almost 1,000 American adults, the United States is moving center-left on a wide variety of economic and political issues impacting their own personal lives. While the country has become more socially liberal on sociocultural issues such as LGBTQIA+ rights, abortion, cannabis legalization, and affirmative action for women as well as non-white persons of color, favorability for progressive fiscal policies are slowly rising.

The survey indicates support for proposed progressive fiscal programs are gradually on the rise with 84% supporting paid parental leave, 75% supporting public-funded childcare, 60% supporting a higher minimum wage, 57% supporting tuition-free and debt free public higher education, 54% supporting a Medicare for All single-payer healthcare system, and almost 30% support for a universal basic income.

The majority of the proposed policies are already becoming the mainstream within the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries. The future of action towards these progressive proposals will depend on the leadership within the Democratic Party as well as its state parties nationwide.
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The U.S. hasn't enjoyed the ever-expanding welfare state in the same way as Europe has and the obvious shortcomings of these systems. I'm not saying they're all bad (free high-level education is just about the best thing that I can imagine) but there has been 70 years to figure this shit out and every country is struggling with similar problems today. Some parts work, some parts don't work and some parts work in isolation and as much this is about politics and economics, it's about cultural anthropology.
What "The Squad" are saying isn't something new and they're definitely not the ones who have answers to make it work in a nation that large and culturally heterogenous as the U.S. Each European state had at least nearly 30 years sometimes 50 years, post WW2 to develop their own versions of the welfare state before the EU-experiment kicked in and I'm not getting in the societal development predating the the 20th century. The U.S. is a different animal, different economy and different culturally.

Championing for these ideas is not a sign that country would be heading to a "better" direction. It's not rocket science to sell people virtuous ideas (social engineering, systematic shifts) without the seller or the buyer understanding the real life consequences of the bargain and understanding the timeline even consider successfully making huge changes to a national system on nearly every level.
 
JHC, you read the tone in the questions and it is beyond apparent the deep rooted bias in the fake news outlets.

It's like they build up and set up everyone and anyone based on what their puppet masters say. Slow pitch slow pitch soft ball. guide over here, guide over there.
 
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