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Social Conor Lamb, House Moderate, on Biden’s Win, ‘the Squad’ and the Future of the Democratic Party

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  1. Lead /Led/ like the blanket Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Some background on this congressman. He got some national stage time in 2017 when he ran in a special election for PA's 18th congressional district. It was a district that went strongly for Trump in 2016 but he managed to win it by under 1,000 votes. At the time, I remember pointing out to people this guy shouldn't be considered a generic issue democrat because of a few of his positions on guns, fracking, etc. Shortly after in 2018, the Supreme Court redrew the gerrymandered districts in the state, leading Lamb to run in the now 17th Congressional District by 40,000 votes. This year, he won in the same district by just 10,000 votes and was vocal with Pelosi and leadership that the party went the wrong direction in national messaging.

    This interview sums up some of those in-party fault lines that exist and I think the interview plays into the whole dilemma of how a party can't simply run the same within all districts and expect results. You see here, Lamb directly draws some criticism to AOC and her expectation that the party could all run under her same stances. It's a short read, I suggest just clicking the link and going through it.

    Conor Lamb, House Moderate, on Biden’s Win, ‘the Squad’ and the Future of the Democratic Party
    New York TImes
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    What went wrong for House Democrats when they were supposed to pick up seats?


    Let’s take that issue. Joe Biden did not support defunding the police. Almost all the members of the Democratic Congress, even folks like Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, came out against it. What is the party supposed to do that it didn’t?



    Is it the view of moderate Democrats that the progressives or the so-called Squad has taken up too much space in the national conversation?
    In the Democratic primary, even as progressive candidates lost, polling showed that their issues remained popular among Democrats. Even things like single-payer health insurance or things like the Green New Deal. What’s your response to that?
    On Saturday, I interviewed Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez and she mentioned you and how some House moderates ran their campaigns. I wanted to get a fact check quickly: Did you all spend just $2,000 on Facebook the week before the election?
    You mentioned sniping. Are progressives leading that or are moderates also doing so? I’m thinking of all the anonymous quotes attacking members of the left, something that she mentioned.

    I thought I'd post this one here and suggest you read the whole interview. It really shows some perspective of the range a party has despite being all rolled up in the same group. One thing I believe him and AOC do have in common however has been their displeasure with Pelosi. Lamb voted for Kennedy last time a vote came up for majority leader and obviously AOC has been very vocal about Pelosi as well.

     
  2. Lead /Led/ like the blanket Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    @MMAisGod / @Jack V Savage , right out the gate, he discusses his unhappiness with how the defund the police message came about. He does have clear policies differences too but that one seems to touch on messaging v. policy aligning.
     
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    "Is it the view of moderate Democrats that the progressives or the so-called Squad has taken up too much space in the national conversation?"

    I'm all for more AOC on the TV, I welcome it. She's got some lovely milkers.
     
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    I almost made a thread about this article yesterday, and I never got around to it. I like this guy so far, and he may have a really bright future in the party. I think he has more wide appeal than the more progressive candidates. In the end, you have to be popular in states like Pennsylvania and Ohio.
     
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    This is not what was said
     
  6. Anung Un Rama Idol of Millions Platinum Member

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    This is a coordinated effort to dismiss the progressive wing of the DNC, and its very obvious.
    meanwhile every candidate that ran on m4a and other progressive issues won their races.
     
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    Funny how that works huh? Hmm.
     
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    Must be hard to pretend to be on the same team as someone as dumb as AOC
     
  9. HereticBD Plutonium Belt

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    Get used to it.

    Blue no matter who, right? Enjoy.
     
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    Maybe because like 80% of America doesn't want dumb liberal shit
     
  11. reveler Purple Belt

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    m4a1 for all
     
  12. Anung Un Rama Idol of Millions Platinum Member

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    Well the red were t going to do the right thing , at least some people in the dnc are willing to try.
     
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  13. HereticBD Plutonium Belt

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    Enjoy their "trying".
     
  14. Anung Un Rama Idol of Millions Platinum Member

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    You must have misread my post, or are ignorant of the data (probably both)
     
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    Your post had zero data.
     
  16. Lead /Led/ like the blanket Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I think it's someone who is in a state where those positions aren't as popular voicing his concern about making them the national policy. PA is one of the states it didn't poll as well in:
    https://www.thirdway.org/memo/state...ll-could-cost-democrats-the-blue-wall-in-2020

    As far as the NY Times decision to give him that platform to blast them, maybe there is a point there.

    It's just one of the dilemmas you get with a two party system. AOC has already stated in most countries, her and Biden wouldn't even be in the same party but since we have a farther right group, you get them in the same party.
     
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    Sherrod Brown is very progressive and he's won Ohio statewide 3 times with pretty comfortable margins.


    And Fetterman won statewide in PA in 2018.

    He's going for Toomey's seat in 2022
     
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    Depends on where you look at it. He is actually in the same camp as Lamb on the M4A piece. Maybe personally, he'd be for it in a heartbeat but he also knows who votes for him. Its more of a gradual, slow progress that might lead to the same result but I think that makes all the difference in messaging.

    Sherrod Brown: 'Terrible mistake' for Democratic nominee to support 'Medicare for All'
     
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/maj...uch-as-paid-maternity-leave-free-college.html

    https://slate.com/business/2020/11/progressives-election-minimum-wage-marijuana-medicaid.html

    https://www.americanprogress.org/is...ressive-policies-that-make-families-stronger/

    https://www.collegemedianetwork.com...s-supporting-progressive-policies-nationwide/

    According to a late March 2019 CNBC All-America Economic Survey of almost 1,000 American adults, the United States is moving center-left on a wide variety of economic and political issues impacting their own personal lives. While the country has become more socially liberal on sociocultural issues such as LGBTQIA+ rights, abortion, cannabis legalization, and affirmative action for women as well as non-white persons of color, favorability for progressive fiscal policies are slowly rising.

    The survey indicates support for proposed progressive fiscal programs are gradually on the rise with 84% supporting paid parental leave, 75% supporting public-funded childcare, 60% supporting a higher minimum wage, 57% supporting tuition-free and debt free public higher education, 54% supporting a Medicare for All single-payer healthcare system, and almost 30% support for a universal basic income.

    The majority of the proposed policies are already becoming the mainstream within the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries. The future of action towards these progressive proposals will depend on the leadership within the Democratic Party as well as its state parties nationwide.
     
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    I support him. People should listen.


    Trying to talk down hard lefters is as difficult as talking down Trumptards...


    actually that was a joke. there's no comparison
     

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