"Conor is one of the Biggest Ever in Combat Sports History. Mike Tyson, Sugar Ray Level"- Dana White

[ColombianFist]

NOPE.

we should've expect this kind of posts.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

yeah which was lame tbh to only be famous due to refusing to go to war not something u wana be known for as a man who is known for fighting

The Vietnam War was a horrible war, and a mistake that screwed up the American economy and divided its citizens. Moreover, it was a war where rich kids could get deferments and poor people went sent over to die. There's a lot of people who got out of going, including future presidents Clinton, Bush Jr (he never was sent overseas), and Trump. That was very different than WW2, where everyone served (including Nixon, Kennedy, Bush Sr). Why? Because WW2 was a war that had to be fought, Vietnam was a political stunt that only the poor were sent off to die for.

Ali would have had a safe tour if he'd signed -- boxing champs just went around putting on exhibition fights for the troops. He would never have been in danger. He took a principled stance instead of doing the usual entertainment morale boosting service.

 

[Melas Chasma]

Fuck off you moron! Tyson sold 2 million PPVs IN THE STATES alone (not the BS 2.4 million WORLD WIDE estimates Conor sold) back when PPV was about 10 times less available than today. Imagine what Tyson would sell today now that PPV is available to everyone. Tyson TODAY is way more known than Conor and he is not even fighting. Tyson is probably one of the to 5 most known athletes ever

And you really don't want to compare viewers with Conor vs SRR. Its VERY one sided for SRR

You are forgetting one huge factor. In Tyson's era 90% of the people watching weren't streaming the fight illegally. Conor sold 2.4M PPV in a time where everyone can choose to watch free if they want.

 

[ConorFacts]

Considering where we are in the world of entertainment and media, I think Dana is probably right.

When Tyson was the biggest in the world in all of sports, he was so in large part because the entire sports media put him out there as such (will always be one of my favorite athletes). The entertainment and media world was much smaller. People read newspapers, sports illustrated, ring magazine, and tuned into ESPN or local channels. That's it. The world knew about what the media told them. There were very few options for people out there for entertainment.

In today's day and age, there's an option for everyone. Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, Pornhub, Youtube, you name it. The public isn't funneled into narrow interests. MMA, in terms of popularity and interest, is a far cry from a major sport....yet he's well known everywhere. I'd even venture to say that he's more recognizable to the non-combat sports fans than is Canelo (who is way higher paid and more accomplished). No MMA fighter, outside of Lesnar (who probably also fits in this category), comes close to Conor's level of fame and casual recognition. For sure none of the GOAT-type fighters like Bones, or GSP, or Fedor, or Anderson, or whoever. Hell, the guy moves the needle so much that he was able to parlay his fame into a fight with the highest (by far) earning boxer in the history of that long-established sport....which is insane.

Why isnt Floyd as popular as Mike Tyson? Why isnt Wilder a much bigger version of Tyson as popular as him?

Mike Tyson is retired, but he still stomps worldwide.

My discord server has thousand of members and most of them know Tyson ... i already created a voting pool 1 year ago, I will create a new one tomorrow.

 

[RoJo303]

He hasnt surpassed Tyson in pulling power wtf lmao. Kids these days haha

Boxing:
1. Floyd Mayweather vs. Conor McGregor
2. Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao
3. Oscar de la Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather
4. Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Álvarez
5. Evander Holyfield vs. Mike Tyson II

https://inplayer.com/5-highest-viewed-ppv-sporting-events-in-history/

All time both sports:
1. Mayweather Paquiao
2. Conor Mayweather
3. Conor Khabib
...
....
.....
6. Tyson Holyfield II
7. Lewis Tyson
8. Conor Nate II

https://www.businessinsider.com/the...n-v-evander-holyfield-159-million-ppv-buys-45

Can you cite where Tyson has drawn bigger numbers, nm 'way bigger' numbers? Conor has him beat x2, Tyson is not even in the top 5. Not sure what you are using for a litmus test other than 'muh feels'. Nice try with "kids these days", I was probably watching Tyson fights live before you too, you young whippah snappah!

 

[stacrafty]

Also, people get caught up in the moment. It's easy to forget how popular Tyson was in his prime because it was a long ass time ago. It's kind of like "shit for brains" Rogan claiming every current champ is the greatest of all time. Just because he's trending more on Twitter at this moment doesn't mean he's more popular than a prime Tyson was.

well come on bro, you claim to have been around when Tyson was in his prime, which would indicate some wisdom, so quantify your claims

Conor obviously kills Tyson in social media and all the modern stuff

So you need to find a metric thats comparable - closest might be PPV's or viewership, but I Conor probably trumps Tyson there too, but its 2020 and global audience is much bigger now due to lower technology costs, nations with huge middle class since the 80s/90s (china, russia, south america etc)

Anecdotally, its feels the same - where are you watching the fight this weekend? same when Tyson was fighting vs when Conor was.

So Dana at least has some claim to it.

Cause if you wanna measure specific metrics, it doesn't look good for Tysons argument.

Conor will certainly leave a better legacy, Tyson unfortuneatly goes down as the guy that blew 300mil and bit peoples ears.

 

[ConorFacts]

You are forgetting one huge factor. In Tyson's era 90% of the people watching weren't streaming the fight illegally. Conor sold 2.4M PPV in a time where everyone can choose to watch free if they want.

Bro.

midget Pac vs midget Floyd sold 4-5 million PPVs

Tyson was/is still more popular, athletic and skilled ... he would sell 5 million with ez.

Tyson was probably as popular as Cristiano Ronaldo.

 

[RoJo303]

You are forgetting one huge factor. In Tyson's era 90% of the people watching weren't streaming the fight illegally. Conor sold 2.4M PPV in a time where everyone can choose to watch free if they want.

{<Mcgoat}

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Mike Tyson was literally pulling $100s of millions of dollars of revenue in a SINGLE fight. some of his fights just the ticket sales alone were over $100 million. Floyd Mayweather Jr is the top earner but if Ali or Tyson were fighting today they'd surpass him for sure.

the only reason Conor is even half as popular as he is today is because Floyd blessed his bum life.

 

[ConorFacts]

{<Mcgoat}

Floyd vs Pac sold 4-5 million.

Tyson would destroy that number with ez.

Even Floyd knows that.

 

[Wolf Of Sherdog]

Boxing:
1. Floyd Mayweather vs. Conor McGregor
2. Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao
3. Oscar de la Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather
4. Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Álvarez
5. Evander Holyfield vs. Mike Tyson II

https://inplayer.com/5-highest-viewed-ppv-sporting-events-in-history/

All time both sports:
1. Mayweather Paquiao
2. Conor Mayweather
3. Conor Khabib
...
....
.....
6. Tyson Holyfield II
7. Lewis Tyson
8. Conor Nate II

https://www.businessinsider.com/the...n-v-evander-holyfield-159-million-ppv-buys-45

Can you cite where Tyson has drawn bigger numbers, nm 'way bigger' numbers? Conor has him beat x2, Tyson is not even in the top 5. Not sure what you are using for a litmus test other than 'muh feels'. Nice try with "kids these days", I was probably watching Tyson fights live before you too, you young whippah snappah!

It was much harder buying ppvs and getting boxing new etc back in tysons Day. Still
more known around the world. You can go to a african village somewhere with no water and they know tyson.

 

[stacrafty]

Boxing:
1. Floyd Mayweather vs. Conor McGregor
2. Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao
3. Oscar de la Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather
4. Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Álvarez
5. Evander Holyfield vs. Mike Tyson II

https://inplayer.com/5-highest-viewed-ppv-sporting-events-in-history/

All time both sports:
1. Mayweather Paquiao
2. Conor Mayweather
3. Conor Khabib
...
....
.....
6. Tyson Holyfield II
7. Lewis Tyson
8. Conor Nate II

https://www.businessinsider.com/the...n-v-evander-holyfield-159-million-ppv-buys-45

Can you cite where Tyson has drawn bigger numbers, nm 'way bigger' numbers? Conor has him beat x2, Tyson is not even in the top 5. Not sure what you are using for a litmus test other than 'muh feels'. Nice try with "kids these days", I was probably watching Tyson fights live before you too, you young whippah snappah!

Not a valid comparison bro, global potential audience has changed massively. In the last 20 years you have had a huge middle class growth in a bunch of countries, access to TV has gotten cheaper etc

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

There is a lot of people I've met who don't watch MMA but know Conor McGregor. So I guess Dana right in that sense.

Though if you go by pure numbers, I'd put Rousey ahead of him. Lot's of girls and women got to know her (even if they knew nothing about MMA) because of clever marketing on the female angle. That's why Rousey was put into movies despite almost zero acting skill.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

well come on bro, you claim to have been around when Tyson was in his prime, which would indicate some wisdom, so quantify your claims

Conor obviously kills Tyson in social media and all the modern stuff

So you need to find a metric thats comparable - closest might be PPV's or viewership, but I Conor probably trumps Tyson there too, but its 2020 and global audience is much bigger now due to lower technology costs, nations with huge middle class since the 80s/90s (china, russia, south america etc)

Anecdotally, its feels the same - where are you watching the fight this weekend? same when Tyson was fighting vs when Conor was.

So Dana at least has some claim to it.

Cause if you wanna measure specific metrics, it doesn't look good for Tysons argument.

Conor will certainly leave a better legacy, Tyson unfortuneatly goes down as the guy that blew 300mil and bit peoples ears.

How about simple name recognition? I don't have the stats for it, but I'd bet Mike Tyson gets a lot higher name recognition than Conor McGregor.

Tyson has become one of the names that simply everyone knows, whether they know anything about sport or not, or even know anything about him. Its like The Beatles, even people who couldn't name one of their songs recognize the name. McGregor simply isn't on that level.

 

[RoJo303]

Why isnt Floyd as popular as Mike Tyson? Why isnt Wilder a much bigger version of Tyson as popular as him?

Mike Tyson is retired, but he still stomps worldwide.

My discord server has thousand of members and most of them know Tyson ... i already created a voting pool 1 year ago, I will create a new one tomorrow.

Ok, lets sent some parameters here: how are we defining popular? Is it PPV sales? Is it like a subjective feeling? Is it how good they were in their prime? Today we have way more data with internet metrics, so we are given an in sight that we did not have before.

Tyson was unequivocally massive, he was the original king of PPV and his events were truly spectacles that stopped the world, on par with the feeling of a super bowl from what I remember. That being said, based on just the numbers from PPV, Conor is hanging in the ball park with him and has him beat two times in the top five and in different sports, and we live in the era of pirated streams too. Conor is no where near 'the GOAT' in his sport, but from what I can gather, Dana is talking about draw and Conor is the G.O.A.T. draw in MMA and one of the greatest in the PPV era.

 

[phd]

Why isnt Floyd as popular as Mike Tyson? Why isnt Wilder a much bigger version of Tyson as popular as him?

Mike Tyson is retired, but he still stomps worldwide.

My discord server has thousand of members and most of them know Tyson ... i already created a voting pool 1 year ago, I will create a new one tomorrow.

Tyson is for sure one of the biggest athlete stars ever...much bigger than Conor will ever be. To be fair, there's probably only a handful of athletes historically who are on Tyson's level of popularity...so that doesn't mean much.

My point still stands though (IMO obviously). The fact that he's more well-known to non-fight fans than Wilder or Fury or even Wlad who was champion forever, means he's "special."

 

[RoJo303]

Floyd vs Pac sold 4-5 million.

Tyson would destroy that number with ez.

Even Floyd knows that.

Maybe....we also did not have PPV pirate streams back then or youtube. Its apples and oranges, but when all is said and done, we can only go by the metrics presented. I am all game for changing opinion that "Sugar Ray and Tyson are WAYYYYY bugger than Conor" if I can get the data....

 

[ConorFacts]

Ok, lets sent some parameters here: how are we defining popular? Is it PPV sales? Is it like a subjective feeling? Is it how good they were in their prime? Today we have way more data with internet metrics, so we are given an in sight that we did not have before.

Tyson was unequivocally massive, he was the original king of PPV and his events were truly spectacles that stopped the world, on par with the feeling of a super bowl from what I remember. That being said, based on just the numbers from PPV, Conor is hanging in the ball park with him and has him beat two times in the top five and in different sports, and we live in the era of pirated streams too. Conor is no where near 'the GOAT' in his sport, but from what I can gather, Dana is talking about draw and Conor is the G.O.A.T. draw in MMA and one of the greatest in the PPV era.

Tyson vs Spinks was BIG when it was only available to 5 million homes. In the 90s only 10-30 million homes were equipped to handle PPV.

cyka bljad.

 

[Post 2 Decision]

Tyson and Ali are huge, transcend the sport

Sugar Ray Leonard isn't very big with casuals/non sports fans, McGoober is up there

 

[Numtums]

You are forgetting one huge factor. In Tyson's era 90% of the people watching weren't streaming the fight illegally. Conor sold 2.4M PPV in a time where everyone can choose to watch free if they want.

And then there is Manny Pacquiao. an entire country stops when he fights!

 

[Sherdog Oliver]

Our generation everyone and their moma used to know who Mike Tyson and Muhamed Ali were

Todays generation is gonna be Conor McGregor