Conor beat a 4:6 opponent, let that sink in

[TAK47]

He did cheat, but the ref didn't call it, and I'm not sure how much it affected the fight anyway.

Just in R3 Conor was holding Khabib's shorts so hard, I'm surprised he didn't tear them apart. Followed by like 30sec of holding his glove - both of which kept Khabib from grappling / taking Conor down.
Had Conor fought fair, he would have definitely looked worse. If Herb Dean had any integrity, he would have deducted a point from Conor.

He won round 1 via the judging criteria. Khabib had control but that's irrelevant due to Conor's superior offense in the round. You can't win a round just by laying on a guy. Having said that, the round was effective for Khabib because it tired Conor out, which helped Khabib earn a 10-8 round 2. But you can't credit Khabib in round 1 for stuff he did in round 2.

Khabib took Conor down and literally controlled him the entire round, constantly advancing position. All of which are judging criteria that win you a fight.
Conor had no answer to that, just a few rabbit punches off his back that caused zero damage, and Khabib threw a few of his own. So you're saying these 15 rabbit punches should carry more weight than 5 minutes of straight domination? Are you fucking kidding?

Conor's word is the evidence.

You don't understand what evidence is.
I'm Batman.

It's a fluke in that it's a freak occurrence that doesn't happen most of the time. Khabib failed on most takedown attempts. And he'll do even worse next time.

The fight was a very methodical 4 round domination. Let me summarize that fluke for you:
- Khabib first tired Conor out, then knocked him down, then brutalized him on the ground.
- Khabib took Conor down in 4 out of 4 rounds, Conor had no answer to that, except for like 100 fouls.
- Conor was thoroughly dominated on the ground and the standup was even at best. He caused no damage at all and Khabib laughed his left hand off.
- Even with Conor's fingers and toes in the fence, in Khabib's shorts and gloves, he eventually asked Khabib to stop hurting him and gave up.

 

[johncola]

Just in R3 Conor was holding Khabib's shorts so hard, I'm surprised he didn't tear them apart. Followed by like 30sec of holding his glove - both of which kept Khabib from grappling / taking Conor down.
Had Conor fought fair, he would have definitely looked worse. Had Herb Dean any integrity, he would have deducted a point from Conor.


Khabib took Conor down and literally controlled him the entire round, constantly advancing position. All of which are judging criteria that win you a fight.
Conor had no answer to that, just a few rabbit punches off his back that caused zero damage, and Khabib threw a few of his own. So you're saying these 15 rabbit punches should carry more weight than 5 minutes of straight domination? Are you fucking kidding?


You don't understand what evidence is.
I'm Batman.


The fight was a very methodical 4 round domination. Let me summarize that fluke for you:
- Khabib first tired Conor out, then knocked him down, then brutalized him on the ground.
- Khabib took Conor down in 4 out of 4 rounds, Conor had no answer to that, except for like 100 fouls.
- Conor was thoroughly dominated on the ground and the standup was even at best. He caused no damage at all and Khabib laughed his left hand off.
- Even with Conor's fingers and toes in the fence, in Khabib's shorts and gloves, he eventually asked Khabib to stop hurting him and gave up.

"Domination" in the area of control. Not overall fight domination. Khabib didn't come close to hurting Conor. And yes, Conor's edge in the striking trumps Khabib's control. When they made the scores they wanted to put "damage" in, but it looked bad, so they came up with "effective striking" and "effective grappling". Conor was the more effective striker. And for Khabib's grappling to be considered effective under the rules, it had to have gained him something, which it didn''t (at least in that round). The fruits of Khabib's round 1 control were seen in round 2, and that's where you score the fight for him.

"Evidence" is a word that people use to describe certain ideas. I took you to mean "reason to believe". You clearly meant something else. Clarify your meaning. You saying you're Batman is reason to believe you are. It's just extremely minor, when combined with me empathisizing with you, as I can clearly see you're just trying to belittle rather than actually claim to be Batman. I believe Conor where I don't believe you.

Khabib didn't officially complete a takedown in round 3. And he certainly wasn't able to keep him down. You're exaggerating in your praise of Khabib. "like 100" speaks to your mindset. If he was so dominant, he wouldn't have lost 2 of the 3 completed rounds. He wouldn't have failed on most of his takedowns. He had a dominant round 2, and a finish in round 4. But looking at the whole fight, and the details surrounding it, the picture doesn't look so pretty for Khabib. And this is why he's running from the rematch.

 

[old school 2]

He had to pull out of literally one title fight. One. While he was interim champ already and on a historic win streak. He then was back in time to fight on the SAME CARD as Conor vs Khabib.

But yeah...everyone else is "thick".

FFS, just...be better

Tony’s career is full of more pull outs than a 6 hour porno.

 

[mkess101]

Nate beat Cowboy long before Tony did so let’s not act like Cowboy was a real top 5. Beating Al doesn’t make you a top 10 IMO. Justin and Conor disposed of Cowboy much quicker and easier than RDA and Pettis all did faster and easier than Tony and 2 of them before Tony fought him. Tony has just fought 3 times since the end of 2016. Not a single fight against any top 5 currently. Khabib, Conor,Tony Dustin and Justin are the real top 5 and probably in that order.

LMAO you are talking about Tony's recent wins...Conor has one top 5 win at LW...EVER!

You are a funny dude, for real.

 

[robertcop2]

Yes, COnor fought at 170 because he wanted the best for his opponent.



No wonder why Conor fans are the most retarded in the sport.

Corrected for you.

 

[Arcticman]

"Domination" in the area of control. Not overall fight domination. Khabib didn't come close to hurting Conor. And yes, Conor's edge in the striking trumps Khabib's control. When they made the scores they wanted to put "damage" in, but it looked bad, so they came up with "effective striking" and "effective grappling". Conor was the more effective striker. And for Khabib's grappling to be considered effective under the rules, it had to have gained him something, which it didn''t (at least in that round). The fruits of Khabib's round 1 control were seen in round 2, and that's where you score the fight for him.

"Evidence" is a word that people use to describe certain ideas. I took you to mean "reason to believe". You clearly meant something else. Clarify your meaning. You saying you're Batman is reason to believe you are. It's just extremely minor, when combined with me empathisizing with you, as I can clearly see you're just trying to belittle rather than actually claim to be Batman. I believe Conor where I don't believe you.

Khabib didn't officially complete a takedown in round 3. And he certainly wasn't able to keep him down. You're exaggerating in your praise of Khabib. "like 100" speaks to your mindset. If he was so dominant, he wouldn't have lost 2 of the 3 completed rounds. He wouldn't have failed on most of his takedowns. He had a dominant round 2, and a finish in round 4. But looking at the whole fight, and the details surrounding it, the picture doesn't look so pretty for Khabib. And this is why he's running from the rematch.

How much of sad act do you have be to even try and claim that the conor/khabib fight was close.

 

[johncola]

How much of sad act do you have be to even try and claim that the conor/khabib fight was close.

refute something i said

 

[mkess101]

Tony’s career is full of more pull outs than a 6 hour porno.

Khabib 2
Tony 2

Plus Khabib missing weight vs Trujillo.

Maybe Khabib should have been booted up to WW a long time ago for missing weight? I'm glad he wasn't, but pretty unprofessional to miss and then get hospitalized for waiting too long a second time.

Just sayin'

 

[Ryanr1987]

And he did it in a wrong weight class, cause he was too lazy to cut weight, confirmed by his coach too. He fights at his comfort zone, and he forced other LWs to fight there too.

So this guy has a total of 5 fights in the last 4 years:
-Loss against Nate. Nate was late replacement and had no training camp, so the fight was moved to 170. Nate said that he insisted the fight was at 155, for what it matters.
-Split decision win against Nate, again at the wrong weight class,they had no business fighting at 170. All non Conor fans think Nate won this fight too.
-Win against Eddie at 155. He got the title shot with a record of 0:0 at 155 and 0 title defenses at 145. And Eddie had 0 title defenses himself, so technically he wasn't a champ too. Eddie got KOd 2 more times since, one time by unknown guy in One. COnor clogged the 145 division for an year now.
-Loss against Habib at 155. Onesided.
-Win against 4:6 Cerone who was on a 2 fight losing streak via KO/TKO. Again at the wrong weight class, cause he feels comfortable there, not wanting to cut weight. He fought 3 times at 170, but he never fought a WW yet, only LWs.

SO now he is 2:3 or 3:2, however you want to look at it and he is 1:1 at 155, with his last win at 155 in 2016. Dana wants to give him a title shot at 155 again. We are witnessing out sport getting WWEd people.
I don't have anything against the little Irish man, he is interesting to watch win or lose, but, let him earn that title shot for once. Let him fight and beat 4-5 contenders and earn it, in the right weight class. Tony is 12:0 and still hasn't had his title shot.

Little Irish man? And yet he’s probably bigger than you, a flabby internet poster.

 

[TAK47]

"Domination" in the area of control. Not overall fight domination. Khabib didn't come close to hurting Conor. And yes, Conor's edge in the striking trumps Khabib's control. When they made the scores they wanted to put "damage" in, but it looked bad, so they came up with "effective striking" and "effective grappling". Conor was the more effective striker. And for Khabib's grappling to be considered effective under the rules, it had to have gained him something, which it didn''t (at least in that round). The fruits of Khabib's round 1 control were seen in round 2, and that's where you score the fight for him.

Man you must be trolling... Khabib didn't come close to hurting Conor, agreed - but Conor couldn't come close to hurting Khabib either, neither in R1 nor any other round.
So while both fighters did no damage, Khabib took Conor down and advanced from one dominant position to another. Conor, in turn, spent 4:30min trying to improve his position and lost with every single attempt. But yes, he was a marginally more effective striker, by ca. 10%, which means he landed 5-10 more meaningless strikes (10cm palm strikes off his back lol) than Khabib did.
Add to that some nice short-grabbing by panicked Conor.
Whoever would score this in Conor's favor is immensely biased, trolling or retarded.

"Evidence" is a word that people use to describe certain ideas. I took you to mean "reason to believe". You clearly meant something else. Clarify your meaning. You saying you're Batman is reason to believe you are. It's just extremely minor, when combined with me empathisizing with you, as I can clearly see you're just trying to belittle rather than actually claim to be Batman. I believe Conor where I don't believe you.

You know exactly what I mean. Photographic evidence for instance, like all other fighters who sustain training injuries, for instance Conor when he broke his hand.

Khabib didn't officially complete a takedown in round 3.

Yes he did. 3:40min.

And he certainly wasn't able to keep him down. You're exaggerating in your praise of Khabib. "like 100" speaks to your mindset. If he was so dominant, he wouldn't have lost 2 of the 3 completed rounds.

He didn't. And yeah, make it 15-20 fouls, certainly still an all-time record which just shows you how desperate Conor was, full panic mode.

He wouldn't have failed on most of his takedowns. He had a dominant round 2, and a finish in round 4. But looking at the whole fight, and the details surrounding it, the picture doesn't look so pretty for Khabib. And this is why he's running from the rematch.

Lol at what point did Conor show anything that could have won him the fight? If it was going so well for him, why did he have to cheat 15-20 times?
Khabib was was at no point even remotely in danger, dominated the grappling, made Conor panic-cheat all fight long, took Conor's left like it's nothing, knocked Conor down, made Conor tap.

Al Iaquinta did better than Conor for fucks sake - if Khabib is running from Conor, he must be terrified of a Raging Al rematch - let that sink in for a moment.

 

[Taric]

I hate these false narrative threads.

I mean, legitimate stats are anything but false.

If Conor had successful beaten Khabib he'd have beaten a fighter on a 10 fight win streak in the UFC, and people would have rightly acknowledged that accolade.

 

[johncola]

Man you must be trolling... Khabib didn't come close to hurting Conor, agreed - but Conor couldn't come close to hurting Khabib either, neither in R1 nor any other round.
So while both fighters did no damage, Khabib took Conor down and advanced from one dominant position to another. Conor, in turn, spent 4:30min trying to improve his position and lost with every single attempt. But yes, he was a marginally more effective striker, by ca. 10%, which means he landed 5-10 more meaningless strikes (10cm palm strikes off his back lol) than Khabib did.
Add to that some nice short-grabbing by panicked Conor.
Whoever would score this in Conor's favor is immensely biased, trolling or retarded.


You know exactly what I mean. Photographic evidence for instance, like all other fighters who sustain training injuries, for instance Conor when he broke his hand.


Yes he did. 3:40min.


He didn't. And yeah, make it 15-20 fouls, certainly still an all-time record which just shows you how desperate Conor was, full panic mode.


Lol at what point did Conor show anything that could have won him the fight? If it was going so well for him, why did he have to cheat 15-20 times?
Khabib was was at no point even remotely in danger, dominated the grappling, made Conor panic-cheat all fight long, took Conor's left like it's nothing, knocked Conor down, made Conor tap.

Al Iaquinta did better than Conor for fucks sake - if Khabib is running from Conor, he must be terrified of a Raging Al rematch - let that sink in for a moment.

You admitted Conor had a striking edge in the scoring. I've explained why that should win him the fight under the judging criteria. I've also explained how it makes sense to score it for him philosophically, in that Khabib's round 1 success earnt him points on the round 2 scorecard. You've failed to make any points on the judging criteria, instead choosing to call me names.

I don't have photographic evidence.

That wasn't counted as a takedown officially.

Your last paragraph doesn't really respond to what I said. But changing to your subject, Khabib was always in danger on the feet. It only takes one shot.

 

[Swoliosis]

He fought Cerrone at 170 because he wanted to face best version of Cerrone. Not some dehydraded chinless 155 journeyman version of Cowboy. It was basicly lightweight fight without Cowboy dehydrading himself to make weight. Conor is coming for LW and WW titles and haters are on last gasp desperation mode.
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If the fight took place at 155 that'd be the narrative "cerrone was weak from dehydration!"

 

[crysis]

He fought Cerrone at 170 because he wanted to face best version of Cerrone. Not some dehydraded chinless 155 journeyman version of Cowboy. It was basicly lightweight fight without Cowboy dehydrading himself to make weight. Conor is coming for LW and WW titles and haters are on last gasp desperation mode.
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the ufc is a crooked company to work for there's no morals or consistency in fighters moving up the ladder and earning a title shot.

conor needs to stay at ww or lw, and pick one division to fight in, not this back and forth bullshit that he gets away with.

the ufc is a joke for allowing him to do as he pleases....he hasn't looked impressive ww or lw.....lets face it he beat nate in the 2nd fight but could've lost that rematch again had nate fought more aggresively.

his win over cerrone is a joke, cerrone is nothing special just a guy who enjoys fighting win or lose and for the biggest pay day of his career I'm sure he'd take a loss whether fixed or not and not care...conor beating cerrone is not impressive or something fans should be bragging about.

lets put conor up against tyron, colby, usman, wonderboy, all those guys would probably destroy conor.

if he wants the lw belt then he should have to earn his way to a title shot, that means fighting around 3 times, one warm up fight and then the next two fights against the two best lw title contenders, if he wins all those fights then a rematch with kahbib or whoever is champ at that time.

the ufc wouldn't agree to do the gsp/kahbib fight for whatever reasons but they can kiss conors ass and cater to his needs....just goes to show you they talk out of there asses and its all for money, don't matter what conor does he'll never surpass gsp's greatness, conor has zero title defenses, winning belts means shit if you can't defend against the rest of the division and prevail....I don't see conor with 9 title defenses, winning a belt when your gifted matches isn't something to brag about and that's why conor is where he is because the ufc keeps fudge packing conor's way to success.

 

[old school 2]

LMAO you are talking about Tony's recent wins...Conor has one top 5 win at LW...EVER!

You are a funny dude, for real.

You have been arguing for 7 months that Cowboy was/is a top 5 LW. Sherdog’s rankings today even say as much even though he has lost 3 in a row. Conor just beat him far worse than Tony did. It doesn’t matter if it was at 155 as it is the same guy. The extra 15 lbs benefits the 6’1” fighter a lot more than 5’9” Conor.
So that is what you are building your case on because they were bigger and stronger it doesn’t count ? I love chatting with you because you are so hysterical.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

And he did it in a wrong weight class, cause he was too lazy to cut weight, confirmed by his coach too. He fights at his comfort zone, and he forced other LWs to fight there too.

So this guy has a total of 5 fights in the last 4 years:
-Loss against Nate. Nate was late replacement and had no training camp, so the fight was moved to 170. Nate said that he insisted the fight was at 155, for what it matters.
-Split decision win against Nate, again at the wrong weight class,they had no business fighting at 170. All non Conor fans think Nate won this fight too.
-Win against Eddie at 155. He got the title shot with a record of 0:0 at 155 and 0 title defenses at 145. And Eddie had 0 title defenses himself, so technically he wasn't a champ too. Eddie got KOd 2 more times since, one time by unknown guy in One. COnor clogged the 145 division for an year now.
-Loss against Habib at 155. Onesided.
-Win against 4:6 Cerone who was on a 2 fight losing streak via KO/TKO. Again at the wrong weight class, cause he feels comfortable there, not wanting to cut weight. He fought 3 times at 170, but he never fought a WW yet, only LWs.

SO now he is 2:3 or 3:2, however you want to look at it and he is 1:1 at 155, with his last win at 155 in 2016. Dana wants to give him a title shot at 155 again. We are witnessing out sport getting WWEd people.
I don't have anything against the little Irish man, he is interesting to watch win or lose, but, let him earn that title shot for once. Let him fight and beat 4-5 contenders and earn it, in the right weight class. Tony is 12:0 and still hasn't had his title shot.

Remove the hatred from your bum soul.

 

[old school 2]

Khabib 2
Tony 2

Plus Khabib missing weight vs Trujillo.

Maybe Khabib should have been booted up to WW a long time ago for missing weight? I'm glad he wasn't, but pretty unprofessional to miss and then get hospitalized for waiting too long a second time.

Just sayin'

The only way Tony has a shot of getting that belt is if Khabib vacates and moves up . Unfortunately for Tony he would have to fight Conor, Dustin or Justin for the strap and none of those guys are like fighting Cowboy. If Tony correctly fights all 3 then Cowboy won’t be the only 36 year old with 3 straight losses that we will be talking about.

 

[mkess101]

You have been arguing for 7 months that Cowboy was/is a top 5 LW. Sherdog’s rankings today even say as much even though he has lost 3 in a row. Conor just beat him far worse than Tony did. It doesn’t matter if it was at 155 as it is the same guy. The extra 15 lbs benefits the 6’1” fighter a lot more than 5’9” Conor.
So that is what you are building your case on because they were bigger and stronger it doesn’t count ? I love chatting with you because you are so hysterical.

I never said he is, the fact that he would be after dropping 2 in a row is silly.

If you think beating a guy who is coming off 3 straight wins is the same as beating a guy coming off 2 brutal losses, I don't know what to tell you. You are very alone on that island. Most of us (nearly everyone) else believes that those are two very different scenarios.

You don't HAVE to believe it, you can believe in unicorns and magic beans that make giant beanstalks that go up into the clouds too. That's the beauty of free thought!

 

[ocfightfan]

And he did it in a wrong weight class, cause he was too lazy to cut weight, confirmed by his coach too. He fights at his comfort zone, and he forced other LWs to fight there too.

So this guy has a total of 5 fights in the last 4 years:
-Loss against Nate. Nate was late replacement and had no training camp, so the fight was moved to 170. Nate said that he insisted the fight was at 155, for what it matters.
-Split decision win against Nate, again at the wrong weight class,they had no business fighting at 170. All non Conor fans think Nate won this fight too.
-Win against Eddie at 155. He got the title shot with a record of 0:0 at 155 and 0 title defenses at 145. And Eddie had 0 title defenses himself, so technically he wasn't a champ too. Eddie got KOd 2 more times since, one time by unknown guy in One. COnor clogged the 145 division for an year now.
-Loss against Habib at 155. Onesided.
-Win against 4:6 Cerone who was on a 2 fight losing streak via KO/TKO. Again at the wrong weight class, cause he feels comfortable there, not wanting to cut weight. He fought 3 times at 170, but he never fought a WW yet, only LWs.

SO now he is 2:3 or 3:2, however you want to look at it and he is 1:1 at 155, with his last win at 155 in 2016. Dana wants to give him a title shot at 155 again. We are witnessing out sport getting WWEd people.
I don't have anything against the little Irish man, he is interesting to watch win or lose, but, let him earn that title shot for once. Let him fight and beat 4-5 contenders and earn it, in the right weight class. Tony is 12:0 and still hasn't had his title shot.

If you work hard enough you can define Conor out of existence too I'm sure.

 

[mkess101]

The only way Tony has a shot of getting that belt is if Khabib vacates and moves up . Unfortunately for Tony he would have to fight Conor, Dustin or Justin for the strap and none of those guys are like fighting Cowboy. If Tony correctly fights all 3 then Cowboy won’t be the only 36 year old with 3 straight losses that we will be talking about.

Just promise me this: If Tony beats Khabib in April, you will still be here and will eat your crow like a man. I think you will. I think there are plenty of turds that post here that will run and hide but I don't think you are one.

I know you're confident in Khabib. And honestly, I'm not saying I am sure Tony will win or anything like that (I am picking him to win, but I do think it's a fight that either guy can win for sure). Just tell me that I'll be able to give you good natured shit if Tony takes that strap in April.