Social The University of California System Is Being Sued By Students Who Think The SAT And ACT Are Racist

[F1980]

What I want to know is what will happen if they get in without doing the SAT or ACT? How will they pass the university? Will they have to make it easier to graduate the school? And then what happens? What if these people want doctorates, but it's too hard for them? Will they have to make it easier to get phDs?

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Setting these kids up for failure.

They have no idea what they are doing

 

[panamaican]

I'm sure most of us grew thinking about how important the SAT/ACT were to getting into college but, once you get past the initial emotional response, it's not as out there as some think.

A huge number of colleges have already stopped requiring it. There's a decent amount of research that says that the exams don't reflect potential academic success to the degree that most people think. The limitations of the SAT as an academic predictor is why the College Board tried to include those contextual metrics about student background.

The issue, unfortunately, is that people have an outdated attachment to the exams and seem to struggle with the idea that they might not be as useful as assumed. Primarily because they grew up in an era when those exams were the most important things.

A parallel might be people who insist on the benefits of leeching, even though the medical field has concluded that it's not as helpful as they used to believe.

 

[Willy Womack]

Mmmhmm. An admirable effort, bub. Good job fleeing from the Michelle Obama thread the moment it got tough too.

 

[K-Bag]

Remember being smart is racist.

 

[Arkain2K]

What I want to know is what will happen if they get in without doing the SAT or ACT? How will they pass the university? Will they have to make it easier to graduate the school? And then what happens? What if these people want doctorates, but it's too hard for them? Will they have to make it easier to get phDs?

University? Nearly half of them can't even handle Community College courses, bro.

Colleges everywhere will have to consider eliminating some of their GE requirements, when 40% of High School graduates are now unable to handle Math 101 (Intermediate Algebra) and English 101 (Introduction to Reading and Writing).

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-non-science-and-math-majors-in-2018.3588875/

 

[babycart]

Why is it that America is slipping further and further into communism/socialism while the Commies (Russia and China) keep pumping their economies up with massive capitalism?

 

[fijuviju]

Why is it that America is slipping further and further into communism/socialism while the Commies (Russia and China) keep pumping their economies up with massive capitalism?

If you are talking about school system, in the most of (ex) socialist countries attending schools and passing tests was much harder than it was on the west.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

And they have support from certain "minorities groups" in California claiming that the tests are favorable to White students while "discriminatory to disadvantaged students of color".

Compton School District Among Groups Threatening to Sue UC System Unless It Drops the SAT
https://ktla.com/2019/10/29/ca-grou...llege-tests-favor-wealthy-white-students/amp/

Students of color to UC: Drop the SAT or we’ll see you in court
https://www.sfchronicle.com/education/amp/Students-of-color-to-UC-Drop-the-SAT-or-we-ll-14572455.php

California groups demand UC drop the SAT
https://www.latimes.com/california/...y-discriminate-against-disadvantaged-students


I'm gonna go ahead and assume that if the lawsuit does go forward, there is no plan for the anti-standardized exams activists to call the disadvantaged Asian-American students who actually study and do well on the SAT/ACT anyway to the Minorities witness stand.

As a Californian who is disgusted with the progressively dumbing-down in academia and a nation-wide epidemic of artificially-inflated grades by school administrators to boost High School graduation rates by cooking the books, I would like to invite the Compton school district and their supporters to fuck off with that shit.

As it stand, standardized college exams like the SAT and ACT might be the only thing left to separate fake high school GPAs from real ones.

Didn't the UC system already loosen math and reafing standards? I mean if you dont need those skills to graduate college then you probable don't need them to get in

 

[Arkain2K]

Didn't the UC system already loosen math and reafing standards? I mean if you dont need those skills to graduate college then you probable don't need them to get in

That's the CSU system, which is a personal embarrassment for me because I came from one before the dumbing-down for dumb kids.

 

[loyalyolayal]

The real victims here are the asian students. Their slots will be taken by illiterates.

 

[Sonnyboi83]

Awesome, can't wait for all the people to sue NFL, NBA, NHL, etc. cause they weren't good enough to make the team.

Looking forward to Combined tests determined to be discriminate against South East Asians

 

[Prokofievian]

I'm sure most of us grew thinking about how important the SAT/ACT were to getting into college but, once you get past the initial emotional response, it's not as out there as some think.

A huge number of colleges have already stopped requiring it. There's a decent amount of research that says that the exams don't reflect potential academic success to the degree that most people think. The limitations of the SAT as an academic predictor is why the College Board tried to include those contextual metrics about student background.

The issue, unfortunately, is that people have an outdated attachment to the exams and seem to struggle with the idea that they might not be as useful as assumed. Primarily because they grew up in an era when those exams were the most important things.

A parallel might be people who insist on the benefits of leeching, even though the medical field has concluded that it's not as helpful as they used to believe.

The idea of federal standardized exams seems alien and bizarre to this Canadian, especially given the way that schools are funded in the United States. Your scholastic achievement should not be adjudicated on a level on which your schools are not funded. In Canada we have provincial exams for each subject, and these are what govern your acceptance to various programs in our universities. Schools are funded provincially. Have and have not provinces are levelled out to some extent via transfer payments between the provinces. Makes sense, doesn't it?

 

[panamaican]

The idea of federal standardized exams seems alien and bizarre to this Canadian, especially given the way that schools are funded in the United States. Your scholastic achievement should not be adjudicated on a level on which your schools are not funded. In Canada we have provincial exams for each subject, and these are what govern your acceptance to various programs in our universities. Schools are funded provincially. Have and have not provinces are levelled out to some extent via transfer payments between the provinces. Makes sense, doesn't it?

Yes it makes sense.

Unfortunately, we have a history in this country that makes it very difficult to convince some people that equal funding for kids is the appropriate way to run a modern society. That subset of people believes that some people are incapable of anything positive and so providing them with an even playing field is a waste of time and money. It's a mindset that will take generations to change.

 

[trac209]

I'm more concerned with the fact that more and more school districts across the nation are now prohibiting discouraging teachers from giving any student a zero for no work done.

Under the new grading policy, any work not being done MUST be rewarded with half-credit anyway. Teachers who refuses to comply risks getting fired, just like Mrs. Tirado here:

Florida teacher fired for giving zeros to students who don't turn in assignments ​

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Diane Tirado doesn’t believe in giving credit where it’s not due. The school she used to work at apparently does.

Tirado says she was fired from her job at a Port St. Lucie K-8 school because she insisted on giving students zeros if they didn’t turn in an assignment.

The U.S. history teacher left a goodbye message to her eighth graders on a white board at West Gate K-8 School:

In Tirado’s mind, no work should mean no credit. But then she checked the West Gate student and parent handbook. Below the chart detailing the score requirements for letter grades, there was a line in red ink.

"NO ZEROS- LOWEST POSSIBLE GRADE IS 50%."

Tirado said she asked administrators what the score should be if a student doesn’t turn anything in.

“We give them a 50,” she was told.

“I go, ‘Oh, we don’t.’ This isn’t kosher,” Tirado said.

What happened next might also qualify as not being kosher. Tirado was fired on Sept. 14.

Tirado posted her goodbye message on a class app. It hit home with a few students.

“You were right about not giving people 50s because why would you give them half credit for doing nothing?” one student wrote.

She later posted it on her Facebook and it has been shared more than 500 times.

Tirado just hopes the students learned a lesson, even if it wasn’t about U.S. history.

“I’m so upset because we have a nation of kids that are expecting to get paid and live their life just for showing up,” she said to WPTV, “and it’s not real.”

www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ae-florida-teacher-fired-for-giving-zeros-david-whitley-20180925-story.html

Gives new opportunities to say I dindu nuffin....

 

[Prokofievian]

Yes it makes sense.

Unfortunately, we have a history in this country that makes it very difficult to convince some people that equal funding for kids is the appropriate way to run a modern society. That subset of people believes that some people are incapable of anything positive and so providing them with an even playing field is a waste of time and money. It's a mindset that will take generations to change.

I think kids should compete against people who had the same or similar opportunities. They can have their fancy school districts, but perhaps democrats could focus on removing the incentive to do so. Say, only the top 10% from each funding district would be eligible to go to university.

 

[panamaican]

I think kids should compete against people who had the same or similar opportunities. They can have their fancy school districts, but perhaps democrats could focus on removing the incentive to do so. Say, only the top 10% from each funding district would be eligible to go to university.

Texas did this. They said that the top 10% of a high school gets automatic admission to the U. of Texas. It seems to have had positive results.
https://www.idra.org/resource-cente...ands-college-access-across-texas-infographic/

The reason you don't see it implemented more broadly is because a lot of people realize that they benefit from the inequality. You have a lot of parents with middle of the road kids and they know that their children benefit from having reduced academic competition.

They need the fairy tale that their kids have better scores on standardized exams exclusively because they're smarter, harder workers, etc. But they also know that it's not true, they know that they're benefiting from an unequal playing field. So, while they might know that a more fair system exists, they also know that a more fair system would reduce the opportunities for their children. So they play lip service to balancing the system.

If they truly believed that these poor kids were culturally bereft and such other criticism, there would be no argument against balancing the funding because it wouldn't negatively impact either group of kids in the competition for college admissions.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

The idea of federal standardized exams seems alien and bizarre to this Canadian, especially given the way that schools are funded in the United States. Your scholastic achievement should not be adjudicated on a level on which your schools are not funded. In Canada we have provincial exams for each subject, and these are what govern your acceptance to various programs in our universities. Schools are funded provincially. Have and have not provinces are levelled out to some extent via transfer payments between the provinces. Makes sense, doesn't it?

In the US you could have a great school that would be considered within a region and a dozen awful one from the same region:

You've got Delaney and Hereford sitting in Baltimore County and you'd compare it to:

BALTIMORE (WBFF) - An alarming discovery coming out of City Schools. Project Baltimore analyzed 2017 state testing data and found one-third of High Schools in Baltimore, last year, had zero students proficient in math.
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https://foxbaltimore.com/news/proje...high-schools-zero-students-proficient-in-math

 

[Headkicktoleg]

The idea of federal standardized exams seems alien and bizarre to this Canadian, especially given the way that schools are funded in the United States. Your scholastic achievement should not be adjudicated on a level on which your schools are not funded. In Canada we have provincial exams for each subject, and these are what govern your acceptance to various programs in our universities. Schools are funded provincially. Have and have not provinces are levelled out to some extent via transfer payments between the provinces. Makes sense, doesn't it?

The SAT isn't the end all be all of a students acceptance in college. Their GPA, extracurriculars, essay, and interview all play a part. The SAT is important because we DON'T have a national curriculum. At the end of the day you have to be able to do math and write somewhat intelligently and the SAT and ACT are really the only national standards. Someone posted an article a few posts above where a high school passed every student even when 60% of them didn't show up for over 30 days of class. Would you want your college to accept these students without any kind of vetting to make sure they can even add or spell their name?

 

[Prokofievian]

The SAT isn't the end all be all of a students acceptance in college. Their GPA, extracurriculars, essay, and interview all play a part. The SAT is important because we DON'T have a national curriculum. At the end of the day you have to be able to do math and write somewhat intelligently and the SAT and ACT are really the only national standards. Someone posted an article a few posts above where a high school passed every student even when 60% of them didn't show up for over 30 days of class. Would you want your college to accept these students without any kind of vetting to make sure they can even add or spell their name?

I don't think it's fair to compare students of unequal means using the same test. Every comparison that can impact a kid's future should be made on an ''apples to apples'' level as much as possible. In Canada, this is at the provincial level. In the U.S., because you fund your schools with municipal property tax dollars, that would be at the school district level.

Or you could change the way you fund schools. If schools were federally funded I would have no problem with a federal test like the SAT or ACT.