Comparison (last x vs y): TKD and other arts PLS READ

[Muerto]

Sorry for stirring up controversy but I am just eager to know what everybody thinks and despite my sometimes high talking, I sometimes get insecure about TKD because of all the bashing that is given to it. It sometimes makes me question what I'm doing and as such, it makes me even more curious. Sorry if my posts annoy anyone. This'll be my last x vs y thread.

*All assuming equal skill and exp.*

1. How does WTF Taekwondo compare to other traditional martial arts? We've already established that Kyokushin Karate's training is brutal and more hardcore than TKD (WTF and ITF). But how would a TKD guy - assuming equal skill level and exp. - do against other karate styles (i.e. Goju Ryu, Shorin Ryu, Shotokan, Wado Ryu, etc etc)?

What about against the various styles of Kung fu?

2. WTF TKD vs AKickboxing? How does this matchup?

2. Training methods seem to matter a lot according to the guys here. So is any art that trains true full contact like Muay Thai and Kyokushin 'stronger' than TKD?

Thanks guys. Sorry again if this annoys you but I'm not trying to troll.

 

[Evil Eye Gouger]

Well, now that I have seen that your intentions are pure, I will answer your question:

A TKD guy would lose to a Kyokushin guy. But this is not the whole story.

A TKD guy would beat a Shotokan guy. In fact, it has been mathematically shown that a yellow-green belt in TKD corresponds to 6th dan Shotokan.

A TKD guy would beat a Goju-ryu practitioner too, and he would do it via spinning hook kick in Rd 2.

A TKD guy would lose to a Tiger Gong Fu practitioner, though, because he would get bitten by the tigermouth strike. But TKD > Snake gong fu, because you can step on the snake with your feet, so kick >>> snake venom

With American kickboxing, things get a bit more tricky, because there are many different styles. Overall, it is certain that the TKD guy would win via punch to solar plexus but there is 10% chance that he would lose by a low kick. The only exception is if the kickboxing guy is called Reginald. Against reginald, the TKD guy loses via knee dislocation TKO at the very start of the match. This is due to the ki energy and it would take too long to explain.

Overall, the TKD guy will defeat everything, other than arts like tiger kung fu, because you can't kick the tiger.

I hope this helped you, that is exactly the way it is. Glad I could help.

If you have questions, just ask, but this is from the internet, and it's really true, and I heard a guy tried to kick against a tiger and got his leg bitten off, so don't fight tiger gong fu.

If a guy comes and pretends to be Muay Thai (so you should be able to beat him), you have to make sure he is not a Tiger Gong Fu guy in disguise. You will recognise him by orange-black stripes and whiskers. And he will drink milk between rounds.

 

[CowboyPete]

Hey.... were you being scarcastic?

 

[Muerto]

i think he is being sarcastic. I don't understand the big deal. Everybody is so hostile and I already said I have no intention of trolling.

 

[aaron_mag]

Well, now that I have seen that your intentions are pure, I will answer your question:

A TKD guy would lose to a Kyokushin guy. But this is not the whole story.

A TKD guy would beat a Shotokan guy. In fact, it has been mathematically shown that a yellow-green belt in TKD corresponds to 6th dan Shotokan.

A TKD guy would beat a Goju-ryu practitioner too, and he would do it via spinning hook kick in Rd 2.

A TKD guy would lose to a Tiger Gong Fu practitioner, though, because he would get bitten by the tigermouth strike. But TKD > Snake gong fu, because you can step on the snake with your feet, so kick >>> snake venom

With American kickboxing, things get a bit more tricky, because there are many different styles. Overall, it is certain that the TKD guy would win via punch to solar plexus but there is 10% chance that he would lose by a low kick. The only exception is if the kickboxing guy is called Reginald. Against reginald, the TKD guy loses via knee dislocation TKO at the very start of the match. This is due to the ki energy and it would take too long to explain.

Overall, the TKD guy will defeat everything, other than arts like tiger kung fu, because you can't kick the tiger.

I hope this helped you, that is exactly the way it is. Glad I could help.

If you have questions, just ask, but this is from the internet, and it's really true, and I heard a guy tried to kick against a tiger and got his leg bitten off, so don't fight tiger gong fu.

If a guy comes and pretends to be Muay Thai (so you should be able to beat him), you have to make sure he is not a Tiger Gong Fu guy in disguise. You will recognise him by orange-black stripes and whiskers. And he will drink milk between rounds.

Heh heh heh....

My sides are hurting now. Thanks for the ab workout...

Sorry Muerto. But you're asking for it. You just need to relax and forget all these foolish questions...

 

[Reveen]

I am amused by EvilEyeGougers response.

 

[Muerto]

Heh heh heh....

My sides are hurting now. Thanks for the ab workout...

Sorry Muerto. But you're asking for it. You just need to relax and forget all these foolish questions...

Please enlighten me. I cannot understand why everybody is so hostile to my questions.

 

[CowboyPete]

Because you keep asking the same question again and again. The question is "will you guys validate my TKD training?" We can't do that for you. Only real world tests, such as competition, can do that for you.

 

[Muerto]

Despite what you may think my intentions truly ARE pure.

So if you may, I'd like some thoughtful, straightfoward answers please.

 

[Rudy Richter]

Hey.... were you being scarcastic?

Sarcasm???? I thought his post was spot on!

 

[CowboyPete]

Muerto, people on the internet can't tell you how your style will match up with other people's styles. Go spar with people of various martial arts. Spar with mulitple people of varying experience for each martial art. You will learn a lot about your art, their art, and yourself.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

i think he is being sarcastic.

Only about the dude named Reginald. The rest of his post including the tips about the Tiger gong-fu guy was legit. :wink:

 

[Evil Eye Gouger]

Only about the dude named Reginald. The rest of his post including the tips about the Tiger gong-fu guy was legit. :wink:

Man! Urgh!!

Do NOT f*&^ck with Reginald! I warned you!

 

[CowboyPete]

Are you talking about the same Reginald who finished the 100 man kumite twice in a row, without getting out of his lawn chair?

 

[Kyryllo]

Here's the formula: whoever has the gun wins.

 

[Soulfly]

EEG is +1 in my book.

 

[lucid]

I'll side step all teh flaming and basicly answer it with this.

TKD WTF is good as the guy who learns it and who teaches him. about 5% of the WTF schools are still hardcore and old school. But those numbers are dropping lower and lower. It's much easier to sell happy family oriented TMA with moms and dad smiling then it is sending the kids back with bruises and barely able to walk.

Because of that, WTF for the most part is considered as a watered down TMA.

I start in WTF TKD and trained old school. After training in all the other arts i've trained in, i recognized that TKD is a spring board that helped build up my cardio, reaction time, ring strats, and flexibility s i could move on and develop and grow in other arts more easily.

If it was the final solution (which it was not) i dont think i would have needed to cross over and train in as many schools as i could.

If your feelin insecure, it's a sign to move on and take up something thats more fight oriented and somehting that will prepare your self for modern combat and not "sport combat" in a big mat.

If there was one art that could beat everything else, then there would be no reason to create MMA. MMA is the evolution of TMA.

Or better yet, do what i did. Pick up open fights, smokers, etc... and fight those guys that take those arts. Thats the only way to know for sure.

 

[Muerto]

I'about 5% of the WTF schools are still hardcore and old school.

That's not true at all. It's not hard to find a good school as long as you try. All TMAs have bad schools.

And TKD isn't getting watered down. It's just changing from a traditional martial art to a traditional but combat sport.

 

[Reveen]

That's not true at all. It's not hard to find a good school as long as you try. All TMAs have bad schools.

And TKD isn't getting watered down. It's just changing from a traditional martial art to a traditional but combat sport.

What is your school like?

 

[Groucho]

That's not true at all. It's not hard to find a good school as long as you try. All TMAs have bad schools.

And TKD isn't getting watered down. It's just changing from a traditional martial art to a traditional but combat sport.

See Muerto, it's the way you dismissed everything he said 'cuz of one small point of contention that generates the hostility...accept generalizations and re-read Lucid's point...I'll wait