compare floyd/conor situation to something you're best at

[les elroy]

Make the analogy with something no one can equal in your life. For me, running an excavator for thousands upon thousands of hours and having some douchebag with little to no experience show up to the job site who thinks he can equal my workload and results is ridiculous. However, I have seen weak assed attempts over and over throughout my career. Some last a few hours. Some make it weeks or months, but ultimately fail. Floyd will pick conor apart. Just another day on the job site for him. Conor fans must not be good at anything in life.

 

[James4210]

An analogy expresses strength of feeling but not fact. In the Art of War says not to underestimate the opponent, I understand what you are saying though

 

[JonJonesLines]

Been beating my dick for 20+ years. I've seen many a woman try to equal my ability, none have come close to my technical proficiency or masterful finishing ability.

 

[Lawblaw]

Unlike every sherdogger here, I'm not the best in the world in anything

 

[John Wick]

I am the GOAT at not waking up to my alarm clock.

 

[waiguoren]

I compete in no gi submission grappling at the "advanced" and "elite" level. Sometimes a high-level wrestler with little submission experience can enter these tournaments and survive or even win.

Two matches from ADCC 2009 illustrate this point. First was James Brasco v. Braulio Estima. Those who follow the sport will recall that 2009 was Estima's breakout year. What most people don't remember is that he nearly lost on his way to the finals of his weight category due to his facing Division 1 wrestler James Brasco earlier in the bracket. The match took place almost entirely in Estima's closed guard, with Brasco expertly defending all submission and sweep attempts. At the end of the match the score was 0-0 and the referee awarded the match to Estima, who went on to take gold in his weight category as well as the open weight category.

The second match is Andre Galvao v. Chris Weidman. At that time almost no one outside of the wrestling community had heard of Weidman. According to Matt Serra, Weidman had less than 1 year submission grappling experience when he entered the tournament. On the other hand, Galvao had already won the BJJ World Championships (gi) three times as a black belt and had taken bronze in his weight category and open weight at ADCC 2007.

The match was very competitive and very exciting. I haven't seen it in a few years, but I scored the match for Weidman. There were some borderline takedowns for Weidman that the referee did not score.

Now this is not a perfect analogy because Galvao and Estima were gi BJJ grapplers first and foremost. Brasco and Weidman would have gotten killed if they faced Estima/Galvao in the gi. That said, Estima/Galvao still had far more experience in high level no gi grappling than their opponents and nearly lost.

 

[HardasNAILZ]

I compete in no gi submission grappling at the "advanced" and "elite" level. Sometimes a high-level wrestler with little submission experience can enter these tournaments and survive or even win.

Two matches from ADCC 2009 illustrate this point. First was James Brasco v. Braulio Estima. Those who follow the sport will recall that 2009 was Estima's breakout year. What most people don't remember is that he nearly lost on his way to the finals of his weight category due to his facing Division 1 wrestler James Brasco earlier in the bracket. The match took place almost entirely in Estima's closed guard, with Brasco expertly defending all submission and sweep attempts. At the end of the match the score was 0-0 and the referee awarded the match to Estima, who went on to take gold in his weight category as well as the open weight category.

The second match is Andre Galvao v. Chris Weidman. At that time almost no one outside of the wrestling community had heard of Weidman. According to Matt Serra, Weidman had less than 1 year submission grappling experience when he entered the tournament. On the other hand, Galvao had already won the BJJ World Championships (gi) three times as a black belt and had taken bronze in his weight category and open weight at ADCC 2007.

The match was very competitive and very exciting. I haven't seen it in a few years, but I scored the match for Weidman. There were some borderline takedowns for Weidman that the referee did not score.

Now this is not a perfect analogy because Galvao and Estima were gi BJJ grapplers first and foremost. Brasco and Weidman would have gotten killed if they faced Estima/Galvao in the gi. That said, Estima/Galvao still had far more experience in high level no gi grappling than their opponents and nearly lost.

A rare interesting post.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

Yah the thing is, Conor's been running an 'excavator' everyday since he was 9 years old, so your analogy is bunk. He is actually the best excavator operator MMA has ever seen, more effective at it than even Jeremy Williams, who was an elite boxer that did MMA too, but never had the success with the hand game that Conor had.

 

[waiguoren]

Another example:

MMA fighter Josh Barnett entered a gi BJJ tournament called the California Classic in 2009. As far as I know, Barnett had 0 experience competing in the gi, and probably little to no experience training in the gi. He faced 5x world (gi) champion Romulo Barral and lost a close match on points. He threatened Barral multiple times with leg locks.

The big caveat here is that Barral competes at only 88 kg, whereas Josh Barnett is huge (probably 115 kg).

 

[Chud85]

I'm that Conor McGregor style dickhead. Done well in a few sales jobs and walk into a new work place like billy big bollocks thinking I know better than the people who work there haha

 

[Rea_ctor]

This is two combat athletes competing throwing fists, not a guy with zero experience at all like me challenging Floyd.

 

[SherdogJoe]

TS your analogy makes no sense because first you say "some douchebag with little to no experience" but Conor has boxing experience and MMA experience, some of which is transferable.

And also, it only takes on punch to KO someone. So in your job, there's no way for someone to overcome you with one move, but in boxing you can, and Conor has big power.

 

[dertdent]

There are lots of analogies out there for the fight. Mostly chosen by who you want to win. The best I can think of is comparing a golf long distance drive champ(Floyd) to a PGA champ(Conor). The distance champ probably wins every time off the tee, but can't compete at all on a full course.

 

[les elroy]

Yah the thing is, Conor's been running an 'excavator' everyday since he was 9 years old, so your analogy is bunk. He is actually the best excavator operator MMA has ever seen, more effective at it than even Jeremy Williams, who was an elite boxer that did MMA too, but never had the success with the grand game that Conor had.

nope. basically, he's been running a rubber tire backhoe a few times a week and most of the time was spent using the front bucket, not digging with the hoe. now he thinks he can jump into a tracked excavator. he's going to get schooled.

 

[les elroy]

TS your analogy makes no sense because first you say "some douchebag with little to no experience" but Conor has boxing experience and MMA experience, some of which is transferable.

And also, it only takes on punch to KO someone. So in your job, there's no way for someone to overcome you with one move, but in boxing you can, and Conor has big power.

analogies don't need to be perfect and I'm allowing myself to exaggerate a bit too. of course, conor has done some boxing, but no pro boxing fights at floyd's level or floyd's competition level... ever.

 

[les elroy]

I am the GOAT at not waking up to my alarm clock.

if you feel well rested with this habbit, I wholefuckingheartedly envy you.

 

[SherdogJoe]

analogies don't need to be perfect and I'm allowing myself to exaggerate a bit too. of course, conor has done some boxing, but no pro boxing fights at floyd's level or floyd's competition level... ever.

I guess the fact that he's a two division MMA Champ counts for nothing lol. Not to mention it's Conor McGregor we're talking about. To simply group him in with some total rookie is silly. He's one of the, if not the greatest martial artist of all time and you're trying to act like he's some random dude pulled out of the crowd.

No offence but your analogy sucks balls, plain and simple.

 

[Pitier of Fools]

I compete in no gi submission grappling at the "advanced" and "elite" level. Sometimes a high-level wrestler with little submission experience can enter these tournaments and survive or even win.

Two matches from ADCC 2009 illustrate this point. First was James Brasco v. Braulio Estima. Those who follow the sport will recall that 2009 was Estima's breakout year. What most people don't remember is that he nearly lost on his way to the finals of his weight category due to his facing Division 1 wrestler James Brasco earlier in the bracket. The match took place almost entirely in Estima's closed guard, with Brasco expertly defending all submission and sweep attempts. At the end of the match the score was 0-0 and the referee awarded the match to Estima, who went on to take gold in his weight category as well as the open weight category.

The second match is Andre Galvao v. Chris Weidman. At that time almost no one outside of the wrestling community had heard of Weidman. According to Matt Serra, Weidman had less than 1 year submission grappling experience when he entered the tournament. On the other hand, Galvao had already won the BJJ World Championships (gi) three times as a black belt and had taken bronze in his weight category and open weight at ADCC 2007.

The match was very competitive and very exciting. I haven't seen it in a few years, but I scored the match for Weidman. There were some borderline takedowns for Weidman that the referee did not score.

Now this is not a perfect analogy because Galvao and Estima were gi BJJ grapplers first and foremost. Brasco and Weidman would have gotten killed if they faced Estima/Galvao in the gi. That said, Estima/Galvao still had far more experience in high level no gi grappling than their opponents and nearly lost.

The key words here are "high-level" wrestler. It's a pretty small step from wrestling to submission grappling, as your examples demonstrate very well. It's a much bigger leap from MMA to boxing. Any MMA fighter beating a decent boxer in a boxing match would be a huge deal, while a decorated wrestler with relatively little submission training winning a grappling tournament wouldn't really raise many eyebrows.

 

[les elroy]

I guess the fact that he's a two division MMA Champ counts for nothing lol. Not to mention it's Conor McGregor we're talking about. To simply group him in with some total rookie is silly. He's one of the, if not the greatest martial artist of all time and you're trying to act like he's some random dude pulled out of the crowd.

No offence but your analogy sucks balls, plain and simple.

nope, but you sure like sucking conor's balls lol!

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

nope. basically, he's been running a rubber tire backhoe a few times a week and most of the time was spent using the front bucket, not digging with the hoe. now he thinks he can jump into a tracked excavator. he's going to get schooled.

Wrong.

Front bucket = Kicks and or grappling.

Conor has been using the hoe (= hands) for 2/3 of his life, and thus, he has had 19 of 21 finishes by dem hoes, bro. Don't be a ho, bro.

I take it you realize Phil Sutcliffe trained Conor, right? Do you know who is? ( Serious question ).