Colts player killed by drunk "immigrant" wanted for deportation

How dare the OP make this thread about some poor, unfortunate "dreamer".

Maybe the fucking "dreamer" fell asleep behind the wheel?
 
If he had been aborted at birth he wouldn't have killed him. this is clearly a pro-abortion story.

the cause of this is clearly the drunk driving. I hope the driver gets the book thrown at him btw.
Aborted AT birth? That's pretty savage.
 
Truth hurts but you must move on and accept that you are no better than others who don't look like you, act like you or share the same beliefs. You be surprised how much you have in common with them lol.
Not true. looks are irrelevant, but actions and beliefs do count towards making one a better person.
 
Antonio Villaraigosa on Monday, July 31st, 2017 in an interview on MSNBC

Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens
By Chris Nichols on Thursday, August 3rd, 2017 at 4:04 p.m.



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Iker Velasquez, 4, who came from Honduras with his parents, holds a U.S. flag as he listens while Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., speaks to the media with children and families from Central America. AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin
Candidate for California governorAntonio Villaraigosa jumped into the nation’s heated debate on immigration reform during a recent interview on MSNBC.

The Democrat and former Los Angeles mayor rejected the idea that deporting undocumented immigrants was a sound strategy for reducing crime.

His statement followed President Trump’s speech about combatting MS-13 gang members. The gang started in poor Los Angeles neighborhoods where many refugees from civil wars in El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua lived in the 1980s. It’s grown into an international criminal organization with more than 30,000.

Trump campaigned on the promise to deport millions of undocumented residents, often describing them as threats to public safety.

Here’s what Villaraigosa said on July 31, 2017 on MSNBC.

"I think we all agree that people that commit violent crimes ought to be deported. But going after the undocumented is not a crime strategy, when you look at the fact that the National Academy of Sciences in, I think it was November of 2015, the undocumented immigrants commit less crimes than the native born. That’s just a fact."

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Watch the interview here.


We decided to examine this last point as part of our Tracking The Truth series, which fact-checks claims in the 2018 California governor's race.

We interpreted Villaraigosa’s statement to mean undocumented people commit crimes at a lower rate than the native born.

But we wondered whether this was really a settled matter.

We set out on a fact check.

Our research

We started by checking out the 2015 National Academy of Sciences studyVillaraigosa cited. It found: "Immigrants are in fact much less likely to commit crime than natives, and the presence of large numbers of immigrants seems to lower crime rates." The study added that "This disparity also holds for young men most likely to be undocumented immigrants: Mexican, Salvadoran, and Guatemalan men."

It continued: "Today, the belief that immigrants are more likely to commit crimes is perpetuated by ‘issue entrepreneurs’ who promote the immigrant-crime connection in order to drive restrictionist immigration policy."

The academy is a nonprofit research organization charged with providing independent advice to the nation. It is funded largely by the federal government.

Findings in a March 2017 study by the libertarian Cato Institute also support Villaraigosa's statement:

"Illegal immigrants are 44 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal immigrants are 69 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal and illegal immigrants are underrepresented in the incarcerated population while natives are overrepresented."

The Cato study used information from the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey for immigrants aged 18 to 54 who are incarcerated in the United States.

To examine Villaraigosa's claim, we also relied on research into similar claims by our partner national PolitiFact. In July 2016, it rated Mostly True a statement by Libertarian candidate for president Gary Johnson that Mexican immigrants "are more law-abiding than U.S. citizens and that is a statistic."

PolitiFact found several studies that back up this claim by citing incarceration rates. It also found groups that challenged those studies or said more research is needed.

PolitiFact’s findings

PolitiFact pointed to a July 2015 report by the American Immigration Council, a pro-immigrant nonprofit in Washington. The council analyzed data from the Census’ 2010 American Community Survey and found that about 1.6 percent of all immigrant males (Census does not specify legal status) between 18 and 39 years old were incarcerated, compared to 3.3 percent of the native-born population.

Looking at California prisons, immigrants are also underrepresented. U.S.-born men are incarcerated in the state at a rate of more than two-and-a-half times greater than that of foreign-born men, according to a study by the Public Policy Institute of California.

The American Immigration Council also reported that 2010 Census data shows incarceration rates of young, less educated Mexican, Salvadoran and Guatemalan men — which comprise the bulk of the unauthorized population — are "significantly lower" than incarceration rates of native-born young men without a high-school diploma.

Specifically for Mexican men ages 18 to 39, the incarceration rate in 2010 was 2.8 percent, compared to 10.7 percent for native-born men in the same age group, the council’s report said.

Immigrants come to the United States to build better lives for themselves and their children, said Walter A. Ewing, a senior researcher at the American Immigration Council and one of the report’s authors.

"They are very motivated to not blow that opportunity by getting in trouble with the police," he told PolitiFact. "This is especially so for unauthorized immigrants, who can be deported at any time for unlawful presence."

Crime trends

PolitiFact also noted that as the immigrant population has increased, crime has gone down, citing Ewing’s report.

Between 1990 and 2013, the foreign-born share of the U.S. population increased from 7.9 percent to 13.1 percent, and the number of unauthorized immigrants went up from 3.5 million to 11.2 million. At the same time, the violent crime rate (murder, rape and aggravated assault) decreased 48 percent and property crime rate fell 41 percent, the report said, citing FBI data.

Bianca E. Bersani, an assistant professor and director of the Criminology and Criminal Justice Program at the University of Massachusetts in Boston, says her research also shows that crime involvement among foreign-born residents is lower than that of U.S.-born citizens.

"The rhetoric of the ‘criminal immigrant’ does not align with the bulk of empirical research," Bersani said.

According to Bersani’s research, while first-generation immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than the native-born population, the second generation (individuals born in the United States to at least one foreign-born parent) more closely resemble patterns of their native-born peers (three or more U.S.-born generations).

"This does not suggest that the second generation is uniquely crime prone, but instead that they are acting in ways that are no different from the rest of the U.S.-born population," Bersani said.

Datasets with information on both crime and immigrant status are rare, Bersani said, though more research and data are becoming available.

More research needed?

The Center for Immigration Studies, which supports stricter immigration policies, in a 2009 study said that overall understanding of immigrants and crime "remains confused" due to lack of data and contrary information.

Unless inmates are identified as immigrant or native-born, incarceration rates are a poor way to measure links between immigrants and crime, the study said.

As PolitiFact reported in 2015, there isn’t exact data on how many undocumented immigrants are currently incarcerated.

PolitiFact California spoke about this critique with Ewing of the American Immigration Council, whose research supports Villaraigosa’s claim. He said he’s confident in the work that’s been done and said critics have used anecdotes, rather than full-blown research, to try to make their points.

Ewing added that the studies backing up Villaraigosa’s statement are "from such a wide range of researchers using so many different methodologies and sources of data -- not everyone can be wrong."

Our ruling

Villaraigosa said "undocumented immigrants commit less crimes than the native born."

He cited a 2015 study by the National Academy of Sciences that backs up this claim.

In a fact check last year, PolitiFact rated a similar claim Mostly True. It cited additional studies by scholars and partisan groups that show that the foreign-born population is less likely to commit crimes than the native-born.

It also found that researchers agree more data is needed to get a better understanding of immigration and crime. It said this was a needed clarification.

PolitiFact California agrees with these findings.

We rated Villaraigosa’s claim Mostly True.

MOSTLY TRUE – The statement is accurate but needs clarification or additional information.

Click here for more on the six PolitiFact ratings and how we select facts to check.

UPDATE: We have added information to the ‘Our research’ section of this fact check from a March 2017 study by the libertarian Cato Institute. The study’s findings provide additional evidence backing up Villaraigosa’s claim that undocumented immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than the native born.

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Eli Flesch, Chris Nichols

Edited by: Gregory Favre

Subjects: Corrections and Updates, Crime,Immigration, The 2018 California Governor's Race

Sources:
Antonio Villaraigosa, interview on MSNBC, July 31, 2017

Michelle Yeung, campaign spokeswoman for Antonio Villaraigosa, interview Aug. 2, 2017

Walter A. Ewing, a senior researcher at the American Immigration Council, interview, Aug. 3, 2017

Cato Institute, "Criminal Immigrants: Their Numbers, Demographics, and Countries of Origin," March 15, 2017

Center for Immigration Studies, "Immigration and Crime: Assessing a Conflicted Issue," November 2009

The Pew Research Center: "Crime rises among second-generation immigrants as they assimilate," October 15, 2013

The New York Times, "Contrary to Trump’s Claims, Immigrants Are Less Likely to Commit Crimes," January 26, 2017

National Bureau of Economic Research, "Why are immigrants’ incarceration rates so low? Evidence on selective immigration, deterrence, and deportation," July 2007

The Hill, "DOJ releases data on incarceration rates of illegal immigrants," May 2, 2017

The Los Angeles Times, "Immigrants don't commit more crimes. Why does the myth persist?" September 6, 2016

PolitiFact, "Libertarian candidate says Mexican immigrants more law-abiding than U.S. citizens," July 14, 2016.

PolitiFact, "Trump immigration claim has no data to back it up," July 6, 2015

National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, "The Integration of Immigrants into American Society," 2015



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Aren't "undocumented" immigrants criminals by default?
 
The point of the thread is that the drunk driver should have been drunk driving in fuckin Mexico. Not the US. If he was in Mexico, he wouldn't have been in the US to kill the football player. He probably would've killed a soccer player. Fuckin liberals in this thread. Liberalism truly is a mental disorder. Fucking incredible...
 
Aren't "undocumented" immigrants criminals by default?

As the laws written now, yes. But in the future they will change. The demographic of the USA will be different in about twenty years.

In about 500 yrs our ancestors will laugh about how we treated others for simply not being born on a land that was here before laws lol.
 
Not true. looks are irrelevant, but actions and beliefs do count towards making one a better person.

To a degree you are right, but actions and beliefs to different cultures are subjective. Your beliefs can easily be wrong in other cultures vice versa. That why we should all interact with each other to learn and pass knowledge to the next generations.
 
As the laws written now, yes. But in the future they will change. The demographic of the USA will be different in about twenty years.

In about 500 yrs our ancestors will laugh about how we treated others for simply not being born on a land that was here before laws lol.

"We should be more lax on immigration laws today, because in 500 years...."

ROFL!
 
RIP. Cases like this are why I'm sickened by the concept of "sanctuary cities".
Nancy Pelosi gave a speech the other day claiming sanctuary cities make the nation safer by encouraging illegal immigrants to report crime.
 
So what ethic group is least sketchy? Can't wait to hear the ignorance that comes out of your mouth lol.
The answer to that question is whites are the least sketchy. That’s a fact.

Also you need to decide whether you want to argue about immigrants or specific ethnic groups. There is a difference. I said certain ethnic groups are more likely to be sketchy. You countered with a flawed article about immigrants. Lol think about that.

Immigrants make up roughly 13% of the population. Of course they should commit less crime overall. The data I found says illegals commit crime at twice the rate natives do.

Explain this
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wash...ls-commit-crimes-double-rate-native-born-stu/
 
It's not their fault . Some cultures are smarter and harder workers then others.
Some are simple live off the land type.

It's not a good idea to import people who who come from cultures and governments that failed.

And they bring that ideology with them.

so we shouldnt have brought the irish or italians in?
 
here is an update for those of you curious. and its sad that i see a couple posts labeleing me a "far right extremist" for thinking it sucks another person died because we are so weak on illegal immigration.

UPDATE: The driver accused of killing Indianapolis Colts linebacker Edwin Jackson and Uber driver Jeffrey Monroe was an undocumented immigrant who used a fake name and has been deported twice in the past.

Indiana State Police detectives have determined the driver was 37-year-old Manuel Orrego-Savala, a citizen of Guatemala. He gave police the alias Alex Cabrera Gonsales after the early Sunday crash that killed Jackson and Monroe.
 
All humans are the same regardless of race or legal status. Drinking and driving is wrong.
I can't tell if there are people that are actually this uneducated or if they just pretend to be when their computer fires up. Must be nice to know you'll never matter, less to worry about.
 
I can't tell if there are people that are actually this uneducated or if they just pretend to be when their computer fires up. Must be nice to know you'll never matter, less to worry about.

But you're the one on dubs lol. I'm sure your opinions didn't sit to well .
 
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