colon cleaners

[anvar]

You guys know that the American College of Gastroenterology (http://www.acg.gi.org/) feels that there is no need for colon cleaners, hydrothearpy or laxatives (i.e. colon blow). And there is limited scientific research to support these claims of the products and the theory of autointoxication is not recognized by the medical establishment.

I got this from wikipedia, and i wanted you guys to know before you waste money or hurt your self...

 

[mmagoon]

A clean colon is key to sucess in the MMA world.

 

[Terumo]

You guys know that the American College of Gastroenterology (http://www.acg.gi.org/) feels that there is no need for colon cleaners, hydrothearpy or laxatives (i.e. colon blow). And there is limited scientific research to support these claims of the products and the theory of autointoxication is not recognized by the medical establishment.

I got this from wikipedia, and i wanted you guys to know before you waste money or hurt your self...

There are many schools of thought on this issue. This happens to be the one with which I agree. Detoxification is really a poor choice of words to describe these fasting/juice-drinking/fiber-and-laxative-eating detox programs. First of all, the term "toxin" is complete bullshit to begin with. Practically anything can act as a toxin. Toxicity is purely dose dependant. Second of all, I don't care if you eat a kilo of fiber a day, drink 3 gallons of water a day, and maintain regularity to the point that the International System of Units denotes your shit patterns as the universal standard of time... Your colon is still one of the least sterile environments on Earth!

Yes, there is a balance of bacteria in your lower GI that is very important for overall colon health. Poor health of intestinal flora has been implicated in some forms of colon cancers. However, this is a long-term issue. Having a nice, pristine lumen for a day will do precisely jack-shit for prevention of polyps, decreasing activity of internal carcinogens, and maintaining appropriate nutrient absorption.

The GI has one of the highest rates of tissue turnover of any cells in the body. Juice fasts, GI detox, and all of those other turn-your-ass-into-a-mortar-cannon-for-a-day programs simply don't have enough real-world applicability when it comes to maintaining colon health over the long haul. For each colon cleanse the average hippie does, he turns-over his colon tissue a solid half-dozen times. Those stem cells in the gut churn out pretty quickly--quick to the point that the vast majority of them are generated in an environment of feces and mucus, not in the one day of juice and fiber.

[Note: Yes, that was a mention of stem cells. Yes, stem cells are found in the base of the crypts of the large bowel--it one of the body's most abundant source of SC outside of bone marrow. Now, let's all make George W. irate and thaw some of those frozen embryos that are just going to get flushed anyway!] </getting a rise out people with shock tactics>

~Terumo

A few more thoughts... I really don't wanna make another post after this, because I am quite attached to my white belt. Also edited to ask MMAGoon if he has ever made a post that is longer than one sentence. Geez...

 

[amphibious]

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=410517

Read my post about the results of what is widely considered the best/most powerful colon cleanser there is.

If you still want to try it, I'll gladly sell you a package for $10 including shipping.

 

[Chad Hamilton]

Show that to East Asia.

Then ask what Triphala has been used for for the last 5000+ years.

I'll believe history before Wikepedia.

 

[Terumo]

Show that to East Asia.

Then ask what Triphala has been used for for the last 5000+ years.

I'll believe history before Wikepedia.

I didn't say Triphala was useless, or any GI aid for that matter. I said that detox cleanses are useless. But in another caveat, both Easterners and Westerners have been doing things for thousands of years that have recently been proven ineffective. What legitimate evidence is there to show that this practice is effective? There is none. It principally falls down to tradition.

And for the record, I am not regurgitating or even looking at Wikipedia. My profession is in colorectal cancer research, so anything I mentioned is from years of experience.


~Terumo

 

[MikeMartial]

But in another caveat, both Easterners and Westerners have been doing things for thousands of years that have recently been proven ineffective. What legitimate evidence is there to show that this practice is effective? There is none. It principally falls down to tradition.

~Terumo

Well said. I'd like to think more people are embracing the factual and scientific side of things these days, versus the "well, a bazillion asians can't be wrong" side. But then again, maybe I'm being niave myself in even thinking that.

 

[Chad Hamilton]

Greetings Terumo-

I still have to go with the tradition. Tradition has harvested great personal experience for me and my GI tract, so 'ya know, if it aint broke...

And damn you and your cancer research....just take some Reishi. Right?
Paul Stamets? No?

And MikeMartial-
I'm not sure I agree with your statement. I believe more people are shying away from the "factual and scientific side". That "side" has brought us Vioxx, statins, and all the other litigated pharmaceuticals. More and more are catching on that prescription medication shouldn't be something that is advertised on TV like it's for sale for everybody, sandwiched between SUV commercials and fast food. Most know that Pfizer, etc are not in the health business, I think it might be more about money, ya know, big business.
But what do I know, I'm a hippie.

 

[Terumo]

Greetings Terumo-

I still have to go with the tradition. Tradition has harvested great personal experience for me and my GI tract, so 'ya know, if it aint broke...

And damn you and your cancer research....just take some Reishi. Right?
Paul Stamets? No?

And MikeMartial-
I'm not sure I agree with your statement. I believe more people are shying away from the "factual and scientific side". That "side" has brought us Vioxx, statins, and all the other litigated pharmaceuticals. More and more are catching on that prescription medication shouldn't be something that is advertised on TV like it's for sale for everybody, sandwiched between SUV commercials and fast food. Most know that Pfizer, etc are not in the health business, I think it might be more about money, ya know, big business.
But what do I know, I'm a hippie.

Oh, Chad... Our antics will never end, will they? Haha. But seriously, I enjoy our discussions.

Clinical researchers and naturalists can just never get along.

Or maybe not so much...

Did you know Paul Stamets is funded by NIH, as well as almost every other cancer researcher out there? One of the therapeutics I am currently tested (not for cancer, but EAE, and experimental model of multiple schlerosis) is curcumin, a polyphenol extracted from turmeric. You see, most clinical therapies are rooted from natural sources. Sometimes we pluck-off a hydrogen, or we may add a functional group here-or-there.

Also, I'm taking your comment to "just take some Reishi" with a tiny, proverbial grain of salt. I assume that was just a random comment, and that you do know that all cancers and many virions behave and react completely independently. What works for one will most likely not work for another.

And don't attack all Western medicine based on fucking Vioxx. We are constantly learning about things that work wonderfully, while later finding out that there may be problems associated with them. This is the case with any new development. Without doing this, we will never have forward progress in society. However, if these drugs are such that they can make it through the ridiculously long process of pre-clinical, clinical trials, and FDA approval, then they are most often going to be safe. You want to talk about corruption? Let's talk about the way pharma class-action attorneys tear into pharmaceuticals when the tiniest thing goes wrong. Million dollar settlements with people that never even had an adverse side effect...

~Terumo

 

[anvar]

Show that to East Asia.

Then ask what Triphala has been used for for the last 5000+ years.

I'll believe history before Wikepedia.

Did you even read my post? i got it from wikepedia, however, the American College of Gastroenterology say it's pointless I trust them over east asia. FYI east asia has alot of pointless medicine that has not been aproved by modern day doctors!

 

[Terumo]

Did you even read my post? i got it from wikepedia, however, the American College of Gastroenterology say it's pointless I trust them over east asia. FYI east asia has alot of pointless medicine that has not been aproved by modern day doctors!

Don't worry about Chad. He is our resident metaphysical naturophile. Didn't you know that a nutrition forum isn't allowed on the Internet without having at least one of those? Unlike most of these fellows, at least our's is capabe of civil discourse.

I'm still trying to figure out how he convinced the cable company to wire an Internet line to his stick-hut in the ancient forests of Indonesia. [Where, for the record, I am convinced he consumes ridiculous amounts of Diet Coke and Wonderbread.]

Just funnin' ya, Mr. Hamilton!

~Terumo

 

[Ualue]

www.drnatura.com is the best for a good old colon cleansing

 

[graedy]

If it would be just that easy..... Blow your colon form time to time and things are fine. The colon has the highest population of bacteria known to man. And we dont know much about how they interact with each other.
Seriously. If you want to blow your colon then ask your doc for a coloscopie. Like that the doc can cut out all the polypes and check the colon in general (maybe you have some maybe you dont) he finds. And that is something you definitely gonna profit from.