Colin Oyama is send his Pro fighters to Amateur Muay Thai matches

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they might be pro mma fighters it doesn't mean that their muay thai lvl is "pro calibur"...
 
thats true but they've been in the trenches sometimes over 20 times on a world level. They have alot of experience over an actual amateur. They playing field is not even. It's just more proof that fighting is a dirty dirty game.
 
I think that's total bullshit. Once you're a pro, you fight pro, and that's it.
 
I'm conflicted, obviously Fedor, GSP, Anderson Silva etc.. should not be fighting amateurs

But if X fighter gets paid $250 for a fight, goes out and gets destroyed should he be disqualified from amateur competition now?
 
My old BJJ instructor has about 6 pro MMA fights. He did a couple of amatuer kickboxing fights, winning some close decisions. His striking is definitely not pro level, as he is more a submission grappling type of guy.

If the skill level is the same, I don't see the problem. It's not like they're going out and brutally KOing noobies, right?
 
How many professional MT venues in the states are there anyway?

Joachim Hansen fights amateur boxing in Norway... but of course, pro boxing isn't available there.

I don't agree with the notion of once pro, always pro. There are tons of mma fighters (albeit lesser known) with totally under-developed ground games who participate in grappling tournaments. How many professional grappling tournaments are there?
 
this happens a lot more than you think my friend just got sandbagged like that by a guy in the golden gloves this past week who was actually a pro mma fighter but an "novice amateur boxer" personally i think that is just bush league and a total slap in the face to the sport
 
richardle said:
How many professional MT venues in the states are there anyway?

Joachim Hansen fights amateur boxing in Norway... but of course, pro boxing isn't available there.

I don't agree with the notion of once pro, always pro. There are tons of mma fighters (albeit lesser known) with totally under-developed ground games who participate in grappling tournaments. How many professional grappling tournaments are there?
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there is a difference between boxing and grappling though. Grappling you have a belt level system and you fight people in your experience bracket. When your starting an amateur boxing career you shoudlnt be worried about fighting professional mma fighters regardless of how underdeveloped their standup is. Not to mention they should at LEAST be fighting in the open division of amateur boxing not fighting novices
 
Mithra said:
I'm conflicted, obviously Fedor, GSP, Anderson Silva etc.. should not be fighting amateurs

But if X fighter gets paid $250 for a fight, goes out and gets destroyed should he be disqualified from amateur competition now?
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i think so he should not have gone up to the pro level. Thats like saying if someone enters the nfl his jr year and busts he should go back to college for another year. No sorry once you made the jump i dont think you should be able to go back
 
We had a similar situation with one of our amateur fighters a couple months ago...it was his 2nd amateur fight and he was fighting somebody with supposedly less than 5 amateur MT fights also...so he was ok with it...

He got LIT UP really bad.........what the failed to tell us was the fact that the guy he fought had 10-12 amateur boxing matches also...

It'll bullshit, in my eyes...
 
I'm sure it happens all over but it doesn't make it right. A seasoned professional who gets paid to fight and has been doing it for years should not enter amateur matches.
 
So who should be considered amateur and who should be considered pro? I've fought guys that have been fighting for years, but suck, so should be amateur. I've met guys that after a year of training, fight like a pro, but are still considered amateur. Unless there is a way to standardize skill level , then its gonna happen because right now its purely subjective.

If a black belt in judo started BJJ, he would be considered a newb since he is a white belt. Of course he will own in the tourneys because of his judo background but technically he is a white belt bjj newb. How do you handle those guys?
 
ClampXVII said:
I'm glad someone agrees with me here.
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matt hughes became a pro fighter after a few fights...he did this all on his wrestling abilty....i think that he should be fighting pro kick boxing matches too
 
I know Colin sends some of his up-and-coming fighters to amatuer fights, but all of the pros fight pro muay thai fights. For instance, Shane Del Rosario has fought on showtime http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=17393
but also fights pro muay thai.
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I don't think Colin sends his pro guys to amatuer fights.
 
Over and over again people are comparing strictly MT to MMA, it's completely different, MMA still needs universal rules to solidify its legitimacy. As for MT, since it is a singular sport, unless the official MT org. of America establishes set rules, you will run into this dilemma.
 
I think that is a bit weird for someone like Oyama to be doing, a bit unethical for a high caliber coach but shit, this still needs more analysis.
 
vu said:
We had a similar situation with one of our amateur fighters a couple months ago...it was his 2nd amateur fight and he was fighting somebody with supposedly less than 5 amateur MT fights also...so he was ok with it...

He got LIT UP really bad.........what the failed to tell us was the fact that the guy he fought had 10-12 amateur boxing matches also...

It'll bullshit, in my eyes...
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Yeah that is.

They should do it like this. If you have had pro STRIKING (stuff that involves striking like in MMA, Boxing, Muaythai, etc.) you can't compete in an amateur events that deals with striking.
 
vu said:
We had a similar situation with one of our amateur fighters a couple months ago...it was his 2nd amateur fight and he was fighting somebody with supposedly less than 5 amateur MT fights also...so he was ok with it...

He got LIT UP really bad.........what the failed to tell us was the fact that the guy he fought had 10-12 amateur boxing matches also...

It'll bullshit, in my eyes...
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Well the blame on that falls on the coach then (unless this really was foul play) - a coach should be acting in the best interests of the fighter, especially if he's up and coming and just wanting experience right? The coach has to make sure the guy doesn't become cannon fodder which seems to have happened in this case.
 
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