CM Punk: MMA evolved from pro wrestling

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  1. pincmil

    pincmil Green Belt

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    He says that 3:51 into this clip below.

    What does that mean? I think he's a smart guy so want to give him the benefit of the doubt on that statement which sounds so mental.

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  2. PRIDEWASBETTER

    PRIDEWASBETTER Whatever it takes Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    The history involves a lot of crossover between the two, no denying that.
     
  3. GordaoPreguico

    GordaoPreguico Red Belt

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    I never knew the greeks had naked pro wrestling back at the beginning of the olympics.
     
  4. Megatronlee

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    He's right. But it's more like they were the same thing and then pro wrestling became "staged". If you know your history you will know punk is right. But the jealous kids here won't agree
     
  5. Reach4theSky

    Reach4theSky Playin' a riddim

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    Could be taken many ways. He could of meant that a lot of MMA fans came from Wrestling and is the reason for the UFC's popularity.

    Also, Wrestling was once real!
     
  6. kashmir

    kashmir #1 bullshit belt

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    You can trace the development from NJPW to shootfighting organisations like UWF to MMA (Pride). Prowrestling itself evolved from catch wrestling.
     
  7. dmwalking

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    He's not completely wrong.
     
  8. Knuckleballer

    Knuckleballer Blue Belt

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    What does it mean? It's true. MMA is a direct result of pro wrestling. In Japan they are almost interchangeable. Check out Pancrase's history. It was pro wrestling that wasn't pre-determined so it was both a pro wrestling and MMA org. Even the birth of the UFC had pro-wrestlers Dan Severn and Ken Shamrock. Dan Severn even came to the ring with his NWA belt.
     
  9. MagnusGOAT

    MagnusGOAT Make America Great Britain again.

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    Technically everything evolved from MMA because people have been fighting for years.
     
  10. Sumbog

    Sumbog Green Belt

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    Well if he is referring to Japanese MMA and the development of the sport in that sense I would agree. Shoot fighting and pancrasion was dominated by member from the Japanese pro wrestling community, those like funkai really laid the ground work for Japanese MMA.
     
  11. SocraticMethod

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    Pro wrestling also started off as legitimate sport (well, there were surely "fixed" matches, but it wasn't scripted). Then there was a period when they first started to do predetermined matches mixed in with shoots. Then the shoots became fewer and fewer until they were only unplanned shoots (i.e., one guy went off script and fought for real). There was a time in the U.S. when professional wrestling was considered as, if not more, legitimate than boxing.
     
  12. born2killl

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    Hes right
     
  13. Rico

    Rico Franklin Platinum Member

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    This.
     
  14. Steve-French

    Steve-French What A Rush!!!

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    I've posted this in multiple threads

    Mitsuyo Maeda who taught Carlos and Helio Gracie Judo (which they would later modify into BJJ) was a pro wrestler who participated in both worked and legitimate matches.

    Judo Gene Labell (who was involved in the first mma match in the United States with Milo Savage) was a pro wrestler.

    The mma promotion Rings in Japan started off as a pro wrestling promotion.

    How about Pancrace; Which was started by Masakatsu Funaki and Minoru Suzuki both of whom were pro wrestlers who started and participated in the shoot fighting org.

    PRIDE was initially conceived in 1997 to match popular Japanese pro-wrestler Nobuhiko Takada with Rickson Gracie. And how about that Antonio Inoki or Sakuraba?

    Ken Shamrock (who actually was a pro wrestler before he competed in Pancrase or the UFC) saved the UFC's ass mostly due to the name he made for himself while in the WWF.

    There are more parallels, but this is all I'm going to list. Even if you despise pro wrestling if you are a fan of combat sports you'll find the history of it to be quite interesting.
     
  15. Steve-French

    Steve-French What A Rush!!!

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    Here is an interesting quote also from another thread.

     
  16. Bladderbuster

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    Know your history.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Lewis_(wrestler)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Burns
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hackenschmidt
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Gotch
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaus_Zbyszko
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gama
     
  17. PivotPunch

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    It kinda did and kinda didn't.
    There was "MMA" in ancient Greece and it had nothign to do with pro wrestling. Then again there was Japanese pro wrestling which is more connected to actual fighting. And you can argua that Ali vs Inoki was almost a MMA fight but at the same time very pro wrestling esque
     
  18. Slick_36

    Slick_36 Born Again Primitive

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    Like everyone is mentioning, he is absolutely right about it in Japan that predated the UFC. It applies to the UFC as well though, albeit to a lesser extent. Gracie Jiu Jitsu acquired techniques from catch wrestlers that traveled the continent, luta livre was even more influenced by the catch wrestlers. Eventually we get vale tudo where those competitiors got to prove themselves against themselves and other arts, then came the UFC by the Gracie family. Wrestling has proved an extremely dominant background to have, attributing to the large majority of champions in the sport, and split off with pro wrestling from catch as catch can wrestling.

    None of that is to say that Punk's pro wrestling background will help him in this. I
     
  19. ufc_vs_pride

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    He half right
     
  20. Cold Front

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    Does Punk want to be a historian or an MMA fighter?
     

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