Closed Guard VS. Open Guard-- and why?

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  1. Blackguilt

    Blackguilt White Belt

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    Like some, I have historically preferred Open Guard over closed guard. Not for the technique variance but rather because my closed guard was horrible, until recently that is. I used to have a hard time controlling my opponent and maintaining closed guard. Especially in No-Gi. I recently watched the SBGi 2009 dvd set though and had a major epiphany and am excited to be working a effective closed guard at the moment.

    Anybody else have something like this happen?
     
  2. JerseyTrash

    JerseyTrash Silver Belt

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    Whatever works for you.

    I personally prefer the open guard. I feel like I can attack more, and keep my opponent guessing.
     
  3. iheartthemount

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    i like open. people in closed guard think about one thing, getting out of closed guard, that and not getting subbed of course.

    when i work my open guard, people are of course thinking about passing but you can give them so much more to think about and at so many different angles. ever since i started working my inverted guard, i much prefer to use my open to set that and my spider guard up.

    but i do agree that when i roll no gi, i use my closed guard a lot.

    care to share with us your epiphany TS?
     
  4. SylarNY

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    Open guard because you can't attack your opponent if your guard is closed.
     
  5. ijustwannasurf

    ijustwannasurf Brown Belt

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    When I want to slow things down- closed guard.
    When I want to push the pace and attack- open guard.
     
  6. Calibur

    Calibur Jiu Jitsu Snob

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    I use close guard. It's rediculously underrated, and so many counters that even if your opponent does somehow manage to open it, a sweep is usually right there. If the sweep fails it's easy to go back to closed.

    Everyonce in a while brown belts and black belts have visited my gym and tried to stand up in my closed guard, before they lose their base and give me this serious "what the fuck was that" look. These aren't big secrets either, just basic guard retention, but in my area the c.guard is so rare in upperlevel competition that it takes them a while to adjust.
     
  7. HardEight

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  8. Sloth

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    You can attack with collar chokes with the gi on.
     
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    juji gatame** Brown Belt

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    You sure about that?
     
  10. Sloth

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    I prefer closed guard if possible. I feel like I have more control over the person I am training with.
     
  11. Proteus900

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    It depends I've done all my grappling open weight and it's hard to close your guard around a guy who outweighs you by 80lbs. Against people my own size I prefer closed because it requires them to tire themselves out in attempts to pass.

    Lately I've been working rubber guard and thats a lot of fun.
     
  12. gocubs1815

    gocubs1815 Black Belt

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    I'M THE other way around. I prefer closed guard because my open guard keeps getting passed ALL THE TIME. At least closed guard you know where they are and aren't going anywhere.
     
  13. Simonsimon

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    My open guard is my favorite position, altough in a competition situation I prefer the closed guard because I'm further from being passed in my closed. Uke first need to break the closed and then pass the open.
     
  14. laohu69

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    I don't have an option...I've broken both feet & ankles too many times (wrecking / racing motorcycles) & I'm incapable of using a closed guard.
     
  15. HardEight

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    This is an interesting point.
    Theoretically, we could reach a point where everyone who came into BJJ started out wanting to learn open guard exclusively.
    Then when they get caught in someone's closed guard, they don't even know how to break it.
     
  16. Goat Meal

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    This is beyond stupid.

    I prefer closed guard because it's one more layer the top guy has to get through before passing my guard. Open guard is definitely more fun, though.
     
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    bleh closed guard is def underrated but i hate rolling with guys that close guard 90 percent of the time.
     
  18. redaxe

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    I like both but I prefer closed guard because it's easier to sweep to mount or take the back. Gotta get those 4 points for mount/back mount. I always go for armdrag-> back or armdrag -> flower sweep to mount.
     
  19. ijustwannasurf

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    I've been using a similar hierarchy, but a different order.
    I have it ranked 1- Open, 2- Closed, 3- Half.

    I make them fight thru 1, then 2, then 3. I can sweep or finish at any stage, and if I get in trouble, I replace up the ladder.
     
  20. SylarNY

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    I didn't know you can sweep opponents by keeping your legs closed. Or armbar them. Or triangle them (unless they are really stupid).

    Its common knowledge that most attacks revolve around OPENING your guard.

    Sure, you have a collar choke, kimura and a guillotine, but really, closed guard is just used to break posture and/or stall. And when you do attack from inside your closed guard, chances are you will have to open it to move around to finish.
     

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