Citations & arrests plummeting in New York after the murder of Officer Ramos and Liu

[Scrody]

You keep thinking that. What an angry little thing you are.

Ever since his Boise 10s thread happened he's been out for blood.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

If there's a fine line it's damn hard to see, I was in New York City in the early 80's and you couldn't walk to the corner without being robbed. Up until just recently I was able to sent my daughter by herself without incident. Fucking animals need to be treated like animals.

I don't think we're saying the same thing?

 

[second sight]

I don't think we're saying the same thing?

you're giving the cops shit?, I'm saying that city needed a boot


the first time I visited the city cops wouldn't get out of the car to break up a fight or even address a guy shooting dope on the sidewalk. they cracked down and the zoo became a city....what are you talking about?

 

[ultramanhyata]

"Feel betrayed by the mayor and fear for their safety..."

They act like the mayor disarmed them. Or is refusing to arrest or prosecute a person who murders cops. WTF are they talking about??

The attitude of complete non-accountability that many police officers carry around with them is staggering. "We answer to no one and are above the laws that we enforce." The pejorative "pig" really suits.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

As a citizen I'd begin my own stop & frisk program. A one-man Guardian Angels.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

you're giving the cops shit?, I'm saying that city needed a boot


the first time I visited the city cops wouldn't get out of the car to break up a fight or even address a guy shooting dope on the sidewalk. they cracked down and the zoo became a city....what are you talking about?

I agree with what you're saying. NYC got fascist and cleaned shit up. That was a good thing.

What I'm saying is these cops need to check their swine privilege and go back to work. Sure, the mayor said some inflammatory things that he should have kept private, but that doesn't give any of them permission to not do their job.

I also understand that they have come under a lot of scrutiny- some deserved, some undeserved, but that doesn't give them permission to spite the citizens of NYC. de Blasio's comments are not the reason an insane person killed 2 cops. Get over yourselves NYPD. Just because you might not have deserved this heat over Gardner, doesn't mean you haven't had it coming.

 

[second sight]

I agree with what you're saying. NYC got fascist and cleaned shit up. That was a good thing.

What I'm saying is these cops need to check their swine privilege and go back to work. Sure, the mayor said some inflammatory things that he should have kept private, but that doesn't give any of them permission to not do their job.

I also understand that they have come under a lot of scrutiny- some deserved, some undeserved, but that doesn't give them permission to spite the citizens of NYC. de Blasio's comments are not the reason an insane person killed 2 cops. Get over yourselves NYPD. Just because you might not have deserved this heat over Gardner, doesn't mean you haven't had it coming.

don't you think it's odd that 99% of our population can interact with civilians and the police without a anything close to a confrontation, yet there's a small percentage that seems to attract ALL the negativity?

 

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[Cubo de Sangre]

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Best shit ever. Thanks!

EDIT: Why did that go away and where did it come from?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

don't you think it's odd that 99% of our population can interact with civilians and the police without a anything close to a confrontation, yet there's a small percentage that seems to attract ALL the negativity?

I think it's frustrating that people can't take responsibility for their actions: po-po and citizens alike

 

[nhbbear]

"Feel betrayed by the mayor and fear for their safety..."

They act like the mayor disarmed them. Or is refusing to arrest or prosecute a person who murders cops. WTF are they talking about??

The attitude of complete non-accountability that many police officers carry around with them is staggering. "We answer to no one and are above the laws that we enforce." The pejorative "pig" really suits.

I think it was his comments that he fears for his son around police that fueled the fire.

 

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"Community Policing."

One of the civilian email participants posed the following question, "I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people and get away with it?"

Sgt. Bennett, obviously a cop with a sense of humor replied:

"First of all, let me tell you this...it's not easy. In Chula Vista, we average one cop for every 600 people. Only about 60% of those cops are on general duty (or what you might refer to as "patrol") where we do most of our harassing.

The rest are in non-harassing departments that do not allow them contact with the day to day innocents. And at any given moment, only one-fifth of the 60% patrollers are on duty and available for harassing people while the rest are off duty. So roughly, one cop is responsible for harassing about 5,000 residents.

When you toss in the commercial business, and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 10,000 or more people a day.

Now, your average ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds long. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and then only three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND then find a new person to harass. This is not an easy task. To be honest, most cops are not up to this challenge day in and day out. It is just too tiring. What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those people which we can realistically harass.

The tools available to us are as follows:

PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment. "My neighbor is beating his wife" is a code phrase used often. This means we'll come out and give somebody some special harassment.

Another popular one is, "There's a guy breaking into a house." The harassment team is then put into action.

CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars with no insurance or no driver's licenses and the like. It's lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light. Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, they are drunk, or have an outstanding warrant on file.

RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a beagle on the scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass them for hours.

STATUTES: When we don't have PHONES or CARS and have nothing better to do, there are actually books that give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called "Statutes"; Criminal Codes, Motor Vehicle Codes, etc... They all spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people.

After you read the statute, you can just drive around for awhile until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week I saw a guy trying to steal a car. Well, there's this book we have that says that's not allowed. That meant I got permission to harass this guy. It is a really cool system that we have set up, and it works pretty well.

We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because for the good citizens who pay the tab, we try to keep the streets safe for them, and they actually pay us to "harass" some people.

Next time you are in my town, give me the old "single finger salute." That's another one of those codes. It means, "You can't harass me."

It's one of our favorites.

Best shit ever. Thanks!

EDIT: Why did that go away and where did it come from?

here it is, I read it on another site just after I posted in this thread

I saw it and thought it was good but then second guessed myself thinking it might detract from my previous post

 

[oldshadow]

Sounds like a win, win, in fact the cops should only respond when dispatched and that would be even more win. The public would only have to interact when the police were directly called and every one would be happy right, what could be wrong with that, or more to the point, what could go wrong.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I think it was his comments that he fears for his son around police that fueled the fire.

It was definitely an irresponsible comment. I was actually concerned it, combined with the MSM coverage, would lead to some retaliation. Alas, some nut job who tries to kill his gf and kills himself doesn't qualify.

 

[carlos cadona]

I was reading about this earlier on Breitbart. Its funny how they hate cops and complain about "socialist" police action until the police actually start to disappear, then they turn into hyper authoritarian cowards in the blink of an eye.

 

[Terry Noonan]

Lol @ armed police officers shaking in their boots after two officers are murdered, yet thousands of innocents have been MURDERED by POLICE since 9/11. Pathetic cowards.

Dumbass

 

[7437]

There's a big difference in a parking ticket and a forcible felony. They aren't taking as much action against offenses that gain revenue for the city.

66% of all arrest are to gain revenue for the city? Sounds to me like the police are a roving extortion force at that high of a rate.

 

[James Keith]

66% of all arrest are to gain revenue for the city? Sounds to me like the police are a roving extortion force at that high of a rate.

tax collectors.

Though I have to say, I don't have a lot of sympathy for drivers in NYC. Seems like there's an large enough supply of aholes who think they deserve to flout the rules, to keep cops more than busy writing legitimate citations.

 

[Throttlehead]

I'm going to try and be respectful about their position. I understand that policing is dangerous work and every interaction can be life threatening.

However, all of those things are true the day you sign up to wear the badge and do the job. If police willingly accept the praise that comes when they put their life on the line for events like 9/11 then they need to willingly accept the criticism that comes from mishandling other life threatening events, moreso when it results in the loss of life of the citizens they're supposed to be protecting.

If they're not performing arrests in retaliation to comments from the Mayor, I can't support that. I don't buy the danger argument because the job is no more/less dangerous than it was before the tragic shootings of those 2 officers.

If there is a legitimate drop off because the police are reassessing how they engage the public, I can support that.

But I'm going to wait and see what happens with drop off.

Revenue.
They are screwing with the mayor and council.

 

[7437]

tax collectors.

Though I have to say, I don't have a lot of sympathy for drivers in NYC. Seems like there's an large enough supply of aholes who think they deserve to flout the rules, to keep cops more than busy writing legitimate citations.

I would have to say that if the city isnt falling into chaos, then the NYPD can stand to have a nice reduction in their workforce. Apparently most of them arent necessary.