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There are very few jabs in mma and people always swing wider,
Thats because they suck at boxing.
There are very few jabs in mma and people always swing wider,
so that just leaves us with same question, how good of a wrestler is cintron really? i dont think anyone questions that he would dominate the stand up, other than that this is all conjecture i guess. until we actually see him wrestle.
I'll concede to you on that point, but doesn't that make it even less necessary for him to cross over into a sport that will pay considerably less? It all seems like a publicity stunt in the past (challenging Shark after Mayweather delivered the obvious no) that was never going to go anywhere in the first place.
He'd make a lot more in boxing, he's recognized as a boxer, so what, if any advantage does going into MMA and having to learn new rules, skillsets, etc, have for Cintron?
Thats because they suck at boxing.
That's one way to look at it. The other way would be that he could cross-over based on his aptitude (granted there is any) and revolutionize the Sport of MMA with regards to being the first "World Class" Boxer (with truth to that statement, not like Rogan calls Kit Cope a World Class Muay Thai Fighter, which is HARDLY true), to go into MMA and make a success of himself. Like Severn as a Wrestler, like Smith as a Kickboxer, like Kimbo as a "Street Fighter"...and as much as I hate to say it and disagree with it, like Cung Le's being marketed as a "San Shou Gung Fu" guy.
Only Cintron's right now more credible than all of those were/are save for Severn.
It could actually turn out to be huge for him, granted he gets matched right and can win.
That's one way to look at it. The other way would be that he could cross-over based on his aptitude (granted there is any) and revolutionize the Sport of MMA with regards to being the first "World Class" Boxer (with truth to that statement, not like Rogan calls Kit Cope a World Class Muay Thai Fighter, which is HARDLY true), to go into MMA and make a success of himself. Like Severn as a Wrestler, like Smith as a Kickboxer, like Kimbo as a "Street Fighter"...and as much as I hate to say it and disagree with it, like Cung Le's being marketed as a "San Shou Gung Fu" guy.
Only Cintron's right now more credible than all of those were/are save for Severn.
It could actually turn out to be huge for him, granted he gets matched right and can win.
As usual Kabuki, you prove to be one of, if not the most eloquent and persuasive posters on Sherdog. I suppose at this point it's up to him, but this sort of sportive crossover as of late seems to be a favored tactic of Gary Shaw. He'd be all over Cintron, and he'd do his best to make sure Cintron was matched correctly, while I think Dana might be more apt to throw Cintron to the wolves and adjust his marketing from there.
First off this guy will not do anything in MMA. He is an ass-clown. The TS exaggerated his wrestling credentials by saying first off he was one of the best wrestlers in the state of PA and saying he never wrestled in college when in fact he did. He wrestled at junior college. There are far better wrestlers in the MMA game right now. Not to mention the fact that when he said he would fight MMA, he thought he would waltz right in and kick everyone's ass simply based on his backgrounds. He did not have any respect for the sport and someone with that attitude will easily get their ass kicked. Also many guys with wrestling backgrounds do not transition well into the sport. Kevin Jackson did not do much when he entered MMA, and he was a gold medal wrestler. Its easy to talk shit when you don't have to back it up.
That's one way to look at it. The other way would be that he could cross-over based on his aptitude (granted there is any) and revolutionize the Sport of MMA with regards to being the first "World Class" Boxer (with truth to that statement, not like Rogan calls Kit Cope a World Class Muay Thai Fighter, which is HARDLY true), to go into MMA and make a success of himself. Like Severn as a Wrestler, like Smith as a Kickboxer, like Kimbo as a "Street Fighter"...and as much as I hate to say it and disagree with it, like Cung Le's being marketed as a "San Shou Gung Fu" guy.Only Cintron's right now more credible than all of those were/are save for Severn.
It could actually turn out to be huge for him, granted he gets matched right and can win.
I don't know that much about Le's background. Is he not legit?
good points. i think i convinced myself that Brock put mir down with a punch. i just rewatched the fight and yep i was wrong. I would bet that Brock has a better chin than Sims and if I remember correctly Sims was pretty gassed when he finally went down. but, yeah, you're right Lesnar has a lot of ????
The problem for cintron is that the top lightweights, penn and sherk, are absolute BEASTS on the ground... he wouldn't have a chance without a lot of bjj and wrestling training.
I would like to see it too, but I don't see it happening. As others have pointed out, it just doesn't make any sense financially.
Now you're touching on one of the things from Dana's past, meaning, his short-sightedness. This is EXACTLY what got him muscled out of Boxing Promotion by Don King, Bob Arum (who PARTICULARLY hates Dana) and of course, Gary Shaw. I bet Dana spends an ample amount of time in private ranting about Shaw.
Dana's got no long-term vision, never has. He's not skilled at building markets, which is why if the UFC wants to go Global, eventually they NEED to remove him from the Presidential position.
Gary has long-term investment vision. This is why he took so much time and care forming Elite XC, and now he's building Kimbo and Cung Le, and people are buying the hype like it's a vintage 80's Members Only coat. Throw in a Newtork TV deal, and Shaw (albeit a General scumbag) will have already done for MMA what Dana could not.
So yeah, I agree that Cintron's best bet would be to go with Gary Shaw and be brought up the right way as a potential revolutionary of the Sport. And if Dana were smart he'd re-think his "GET MONEY NOW" idea of putting him right in there with Din Thomas or Sean Sherk, and put him in at the lowest level and have it fester for a while, let him knock out a bunch of mooks, actually learn BJJ comprehensively, then make a REAL mega-fight out of it.
The problem for cintron is that the top lightweights, penn and sherk, are absolute BEASTS on the ground... he wouldn't have a chance without a lot of bjj and wrestling training.