Cintron In MMA, Good for Boxing?

GlassJaw said:
and what's all this talk about him being big enough to fight at 155, the guy is one of the biggest weight cutters in the division. He was walking around 170 for the Felicniano (or however you spell his name) fight.
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I don't know about being that heavy, but I remember him weighing well over 160 come fight night. And I won't be surprised if his walk around weight is around 170+
 
I meant in the lead up to the fight. Only Paul Williams shoots up 20+ on fight night...

think of that a minute.....15-20 lbs...DAY OFF....FUCK.
 
Cintron is not built like Tommy Hearns. He has the long arms, broad back, and the height, but he is not built like a stick figure. He actually looks like a thick welterweight. Sure he has to work hard during training to make 147.
 
lugubriousduck said:
Cintron is not built like Tommy Hearns. He has the long arms, broad back, and the height, but he is not built like a stick figure. He actually looks like a thick welterweight. Sure he has to work hard during training to make 147.
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Was that a Freudian slip LOL?
 
That gave him tentative full scholarships to Wisconsin and Ohio State.

He clearly hasn't forgotten much:

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I also have a theory that this is one of the reasons Kermit doesn't sustain punching pressure well. This was his instinctive response to Tony whoopin' his ass.
 
King Kabuki said:
lol@all the people stating Kermit would get "tooled" on the ground, but guys with very little BJJ backgrounds often compete in the UFC and do well.

The ground is not cryptonite to a guy who is good with his hands. He'd have more than enough money and time to invest in plenty of BJJ training. Stop acting like he's Kit Cope or Nishijima or something.

And yes he does still wrestle as part of his strength training regimen, he's said this many times.
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then let's see him fight Din Thomas
 
sushijin said:
What do you base that on? Have you ever seen Lesnar knock anyone out standing? Do you even know that he strikes with proper body mechanics? He is pretty musclebound. He very well may throw slow plodding shots in an arc-like motion. I've seen Mir score a knockout live (against Sims), but as powerful as Lesnar appears, there are still many question marks. Another question mark is how good his chin is. I'm sure more answers will be forthcoming the next time he fights.
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good points. i think i convinced myself that Brock put mir down with a punch. i just rewatched the fight and yep i was wrong. I would bet that Brock has a better chin than Sims and if I remember correctly Sims was pretty gassed when he finally went down. but, yeah, you're right Lesnar has a lot of ????
 
I am surprised Mir survived the initial onslaught. A guy Lesnar's size can pretty much power out any upper body submissions and take top mount. His ground and pound is mean with the weight he can put behind those punches. His stand up, I am not sure. He has great upper body strength (bench 500+), but I feel he lacks the technique and speed to generate KO power. I am sure he is still heavy handed.
 
5acrossYOeye said:
Kermit could maybe win a title at 154? Maybe?

Though watching him light up dudes with mohawks and tats would very nice as well.
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sharks are tearin it up brooo. but yeah i think it would be cool to see cintron in mma. boxing purists might tune it. and it would ultimately be good for boxing and mma. lets see it.
 
lugubriousduck said:
I am surprised Mir survived the initial onslaught. A guy Lesnar's size can pretty much power out any upper body submissions and take top mount. His ground and pound is mean with the weight he can put behind those punches. His stand up, I am not sure. He has great upper body strength (bench 500+), but I feel he lacks the technique and speed to generate KO power. I am sure he is still heavy handed.
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mazzagatti may have received an assist on that one :).
 
I still think he will be tooled by a blue belt. It would take at least a year for him to train effectively for MMA.

You've got to consider his motivation for fighting in MMA if he indeed does. I don't think he'll be motivated at all.

Say he does move to MMA motivated and train for a year, I don't think he'll ever reach the level to beat the elite guys like Sherk or Penn. Or even the semi-contender ground specialists like Din Thomas or Ribeiro.

I'm not sure what he meant to say when he said that he still trains wrestling. Maybe he just trains various wrestling standard conditioning excercises. He doesn't look like a wrestler at all when he fights. He looks drained and his thighs are skinny. He can probably train for a year to get an optimal build for MMA.

The highest level fighter that should look good for Kermit to fight after a year of training would probably be Dida coz his stance is open for punches, but I don't think he could pull it off.
 
Lets not jump the gun here. The man has two losses, both to the same fighter. It's not like his boxing career is over.

As far as his wrestling skills are concerned, and more importantly how they transition to MMA, well nobody really knows. I'm sure he was an accomplished high school wrestler, but that really doesn't mean much. And yes, he is a world class boxer, but that really doesn't mean much either. It's the ability to blend these things together that is important.

Sean Sherk has only 2 losses in his MMA career and is known as one of the best wrestlers in the sport. In reality, his wrestling ability is very average, however it translates well to MMA.
 
I still think he will be tooled by a blue belt. It would take at least a year for him to train effectively for MMA.

You've got to consider his motivation for fighting in MMA if he indeed does. I don't think he'll be motivated at all.

Say he does move to MMA motivated and train for a year, I don't think he'll ever reach the level to beat the elite guys like Sherk or Penn. Or even the semi-contender ground specialists like Din Thomas or Ribeiro.

I'm not sure what he meant to say when he said that he still trains wrestling. Maybe he just trains various wrestling standard conditioning excercises. He doesn't look like a wrestler at all when he fights. He looks drained and his thighs are skinny. He can probably train for a year to get an optimal build for MMA.
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That's an absolutely ridiculous line of reasoning. So let me get it straight:

1) A Professional Fighter wouldn't be motivated for a Professional Fight, especially one who takes his career seriously enough to get in the ring with a guy who mauled him twice.

2) If he trains for a year he won't be the level (regarding ground skills) as people who have been continuously training for years, and somehow this is new information, and we're only talking about him beginning his career in MMA by facing Sean Sherks, BJ Penns, or Din Thomases.

3) You're not sure what he meant when he says he still wrestles, because in your opinion it doesn't at all insinuate that he still WRESTLES, because he doesn't "look like a wrestler."

Seriously, do better than that.

Lets not jump the gun here. The man has two losses, both to the same fighter. It's not like his boxing career is over.
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He doesn't have anywhere to go, really. Margarito was considered the lowest of the top 5 or so. Unless he becomes a Zab Judah, Cintron's ventures from here on out are going to be based on people believing he'll lose, albeit having a puncher's chance.

As far as his wrestling skills are concerned, and more importantly how they transition to MMA, well nobody really knows. I'm sure he was an accomplished high school wrestler, but that really doesn't mean much. And yes, he is a world class boxer, but that really doesn't mean much either. It's the ability to blend these things together that is important.
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Come on. The ability to Box and Wrestle means nothing? Seriously people act like MMA is some foreign concept that no one can comprehend, and yet there are people who Box, Wrestle, AND blend them together...not so good, and have halfway decent MMA careers. Surely Kermit's ability to Box and Wrestle gives him an advantage I'd even wager to say over a significant amount of people who get into MMA competition with very little background in either, and learn pretty much as they go. Take guys who go onto TUF season after season for example. Many of them have MMA Fights under their belt, qualify for the show, even win a couple fights, and are very little experienced UNTIL they get into the actual UFC.

Marcus Davis comes to mind.
 
King Kabuki said:
He doesn't have anywhere to go, really. Margarito was considered the lowest of the top 5 or so. Unless he becomes a Zab Judah, Cintron's ventures from here on out are going to be based on people believing he'll lose, albeit having a puncher's chance.
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Yeah, but where does he have to go in MMA. He's a top 5 (or right around) WW right now, and assuming he can even come close to achieving that in MMA is a big assumption.

King Kabuki said:
Come on. The ability to Box and Wrestle means nothing? Seriously people act like MMA is some foreign concept that no one can comprehend, and yet there are people who Box, Wrestle, AND blend them together...not so good, and have halfway decent MMA careers. Surely Kermit's ability to Box and Wrestle gives him an advantage I'd even wager to say over a significant amount of people who get into MMA competition with very little background in either, and learn pretty much as they go. Take guys who go onto TUF season after season for example. Many of them have MMA Fights under their belt, qualify for the show, even win a couple fights, and are very little experienced UNTIL they get into the actual UFC.

Marcus Davis comes to mind.
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The ability to box and wrestle means nothing if you can't blend the two (and other skills) together. I understand your reference to TUF and the fighters, but most of those guys will never go any higher than that show itself. When I refer to Kermit I'm assuming he's aiming higher than that. Sure a good boxer can get by on striking alone at lower levels, but I don't think the same can be said against the elite. Also, it is much different trying to stuff a takedown when you're also worried about his fists, knees, feet, etc.....Some guys just can't do it.

Marcus Davis is fun to watch, but I don't think he'll ever be top 5 in the world.
 
Yeah, but where does he have to go in MMA. He's a top 5 (or right around) WW right now, and assuming he can even come close to achieving that in MMA is a big assumption.
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It's a big assumption to think he'd go straight to top 5 in the World in MMA. It's not that big of an assumption to think he'd WANT to, and might just take the proper steps to get there.

The ability to box and wrestle means nothing if you can't blend the two (and other skills) together. I understand you're reference to TUF and the fighters, but most of those guys will never go any higher than that show itself. When I refer to Kermit I'm assuming he's aiming higher than that. Sure a good boxer can get by on striking alone at lower levels, but I don't think the same can be said against the elite. Also, it is much different trying to stuff a takedown when you're also worried about his fists, knees, feet, etc.....Some guys just can't do it.

Marcus Davis is fun to watch, but I don't think he'll ever be top 5 in the world.
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I agree about the blending of skills. What I'm saying is being educated in TWO key areas to some degree isn't a disadvantage or anything to scoff at. There've been guys who started out with less who have gone on to do more. It's all about the Fighter at the end of the day, and we don't know what Kermit is capable of when the need to Fight more than one dimension is concerned. I just think it stands to reason more that he wouldn't completely shut down. That could be wrong, but he'd have to be severely mentally limited for that to happen.
 
Lots of conversation about just how good a grappler Cintron can become.
Let
 
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