Cintron In MMA, Good for Boxing?

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  1. BrooklynBomber

    BrooklynBomber The Champ is Here

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    I like Kermit Cintron. Guy is extremely talented and has physical blessings that guys wish for their whole careers.

    Sometimes though, no matter how good you are, there's always someone who has your number. I believe Antonio Margarito is that guy for Kermit.

    Now, with Kermit's inability to get past Margarito, and with Cotto as the Kingpin of the Welterweight division with Floyd seemingly keeping his career in limbo, 147 is just never going to be where Kermit will be the best guy unless Miguel, Tony, and Floyd all depart and I don't see it happening.

    We had a thread discussing his future options, one of which was to go to 154, the other was to enter into MMA.

    For those unfamiliar with his backstory, Kermit was one of the best amatuer wrestlers in the state of Pennsylvania while in high school, and even got offers for wrestling scholarships to Ohio State, University of Wisconsin, and the University of Minnesota(same school as 2000 NCAA Heavyweight champion/UFC heavyweight Brock Lesnar).

    Kermit suffered a knee injury and turned his focus to the other sport he was practicing in high school, boxing. He became a welterweight titlist, and has had a fairly successful career minus the Margarito bouts, but he's never emerged as one of the elite.

    Considering three of the best collegiate wrestling schools offered him free rides, the guy's wrestling game is, or at the least was, among the tops in the nation.

    Now Kermit would obviously have to learn to defend and possibly incorporate some JJ into his game like any wrestler wanting to make a go of MMA does(take note Lesnar), but who's to say he can't do it?

    Now normally you'd have to work your way up the ladder to get big fights in MMA, but with Cintron being a world champion boxer crossing over, the wait list for him would be substantially cut due to the potential revenue he'd bring in, similar to how Brock's first fight in the UFC was against Frank Mir, and Brock wasn't even a professional combat sport athlete.

    Quite frankly I think Kermit has the potential for more success as an MMA lightweight than as boxing welter. I think the main problem with the game of a lot of today's fighters, especially in the lighter weight divisions, is their unwillingness, or perhaps lack of capability to stand up and strike.

    Kermit can crack, there's no doubt about it. When facing Kermit, most guys are probably going to be intimidated by his reputation and try to take it to the ground, so Kermit's chin won't be tested as it would against guys like Margarito and Cotto.

    His wrestling is probably going to be severely underrated since he never wrestled collegiately, even though its quite obvious he was capable of doing so with offers like the ones he got.

    But with all that said this could be a big boon for boxing. Kermit was a guy who couldn't make it to the top of the welterweight division, but he's someone I could see doing very well for himself provided he hasn't lost too many steps in his ground game.

    It would be a major boost to the boxing business when people see that a guy who couldn't make it to the top of boxing after already coming close to but not getting to the elite level, going into MMA's face, the UFC, and taking their lightweight title within a year of his debut.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. 5acrossYOeye

    5acrossYOeye Silver Belt

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    Kermit could maybe win a title at 154? Maybe?

    Though watching him light up dudes with mohawks and tats would very nice as well.
     
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    LOL @ Cintron taking the UFC lightweight title in a year. I'm sorry but if he hasn't wrestled in 8 years he's not going to be as good as he was, and add to that kicks and knees and submissions...
     
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    I think it'll be good for Kermit but I don't know how good it will be for boxing. I'm not sure a lot of people will all sudden decide to buy boxing PPVs because this one boxer does well. I think people look for entertainment when buying a product rather than effectiveness or toughness of a martial art. Its not like a bunch of people started watching K-1 or judo because of Cro Cop and Karo's success.

    I do think with Kermit would do well in MMA though. He supposedly has a natural talent at sports and he will pick up BJJ, muay thai and relearn wrestling easily. GSP had no HS wrestling experience and now he tosses around Hughes and Koscheck. I honesty think MMA isn't as mentally challenging as boxing at the elite level so his mental weakness will be less of a problem. With his punching power he'll be laying out MMA guys by grazing them.
     
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    In a year does sound like a stretch. He does have the potential to do it eventually if he does go into MMA I think.
     
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    Nah, I don't think it's too far a stretch. I'd actually imagine Dana would set up Cintron as the future of that division. Plenty of tattoos, GIANT ko power, and couild stuff a takedown. He's like the super LW version of Lidell.
     
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    Just need to buy him a TapOut shirt and some agro-rock music to enter the ring to. He'll be set.
     
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    The problem for cintron is that the top lightweights, penn and sherk, are absolute BEASTS on the ground... he wouldn't have a chance without a lot of bjj and wrestling training.
     
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  10. BrooklynBomber

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    He has a great wrestling background.

    They have to start standing and neither one of them can bang with him.

    Sherk also has drug issues to work out if I'm not mistaken with the NSAC?

    Plus I think BJ has seen his best days come and go.
     
  11. bradlee180

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    Excellent post, BrooklynBomber.

    Out of a talent-pool of thousands of pro boxers, a man has to be pretty good to make top 20 and damn good to make top 5. I'd put Cintron at #5, but he can't beat Margarito, and I don't think he could beat Cotto, Mosely, or mayweather either. Cintron would make some nice paydays in losing efforts against them. Helluva fix for Cintron.
    Cintron might be able to win a strap at 154 , but there's no big money fight there either. De la Hoya's not going to fight him; Oscar wants an opponent who can really DRAW.

    I'd love to see Cintron give MMA a shot.
    It'd be the first time a world-class boxer in his prime has ever fought in MMA.

    The way pure "MMA fans only" get all revved up over sloppy striking and wild haymakers that is the norm in MMA; Cintron's striking would SHINE.

    Cintron vs Jens Pulver.
    Cintron vs Sean Sherk.
    Cintron vs Takanori Gomi.
    Cintron vs BJ Penn.

    Joachim Hansen, Mach Sakurai, Nate Diaz, Kawajiri, Yves Edwards, Joe Stevenson, Gilbert Melendez, Clay Guida. Aurelio, Ribeiro, Franca, Kenny Florian, Lauzon, ...

    Lots of great talent at 155 in MMA.
    Cintron would certainly lose a couple of them as ALL MMA fighters lose (except Fedor).
    Cintron as an MMA champion at 155? Well, there's a lot of MMA orgs and MMA titles nowadays. I think Cintron does have a better pedigree and better credentials than anybody in MMA at 155. I think Cintron would be a top guy at 155 in MMA...with a dramatic highlight reel of KO's.

    ...then again, Cintron may get knocked out himself or tapped out in about 2 minutes in MMA because in MMA, ANYBODY has a chance of Winning!
    (Serra/St.Pierre, Cro Cop/Gonzaga, Nick Diaz/Gomi, Sokoudjou/Nogueira, Couture/Sylvia, Couture/Liddell, Randleman/Cro Cop, Hansen/Gomi, Henderson/Wanderlei)

    Great read, BrooklynBomber.
     
  12. Kid McCoy

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    I went crazy on this proposition some time ago, presenting my argument that he could do it with ease, mainly as a way of goading Dana White (and his fans here) in response to his frequent disrespect toward Boxing as a means of selling his show.

    But that was all done in humor.

    In reality, Cintron would certainly be a good candidate for becoming a successful MMA fighter, if that were his ambition.

    Top contenders in Boxing still get paid better than most MMA champions do, so the carrot required for Cintron to switch horses would have to be the result of some creative marketing, which could be done if the desire was there on the part of a promoter.

    There are many, many stars (as well as failures) in MMA who have devoted their entire adolescence and adult lives to perfecting an applicable craft, and the sport has drawn dozens of accomplished Karateka, Judoka, Kick boxers and Wrestlers to take the crossover plunge.

    However, for every one of those there are 10 guys who had very little in their fighting and sporting backgrounds before joining up with a MMA training team, and the reality is that Cintron has devoted more hours of training to an MMA applicable talent than perhaps 90% of all the fighters who populate the MMA professional ranks.

    Furthermore, he has already waded through a bigger pool of hungry talent than any MMA fighter ever has to reach contendership, which also bodes well for his chances.

    Cross training and the assimilation of new skills is necessary in order to perfect and employ what we already know to be the best approach to winning in MMA, but this is a requirement for all MMA fighters, and because these are dedicated athletes with basic aptitude who succeed, there is no reason at all to think that Cintron wouldn
     
  13. deadpool

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    Will he get paid as much as he did/does for boxing though? I imagine Cintron makes well over $100,000 that many MMA stars make.

    Oops, I see that Mr. McCoy already posed my argument!:redface:
     
  14. prontostar

    prontostar Gymmy TUNDAH!

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    brock lesnar has a great wrestling background and look where that got him...

    for shits and giggles i'd like to see cintron fight din thomas.

    They could also use Cintron to popularize the WEC 145 lb division.
     
  15. BrooklynBomber

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    By that same token you must admit Lesnar doesn't have anywhere near the striking pedigree that Kermit does.
     
  16. Coster

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    Good for boxing? I don't know. Good for MMA? Certainly. It'll be great for MMA having a guy with a boxing pedigree like Cintron, & I'm sure he could be succesful.
     
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    prontostar Gymmy TUNDAH!

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    maybe so, but he's a better wrestler than Cintron, has ridiculous physical attributes, and looked like he had a lot of power in his hands. If he kept that fight standing he would've knocked Mir out, why he decided to test his skills on the ground I don't know.

    Is Cintron physically and mentally strong enough to recover once a Sherk type fighter mounts him and starts teeing off? After this weekend I'm not so sure.

    I guess Cintron's best path would be to a fighter that is one step above Chuck Lidell with a good sprawl and great power in conjuction with the boxing skills that Lidell lacks.
     
  18. dubie86

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    i understand he was a very good wrestler in high school, and speaking from experience if you dont train you loose it after a while, im not saying he cant come back and pick up where he left off but there are some dominant guys in the 55 division, especially the ufc. if he were going to jump into mma, i would like to see him get with a great camp and fight in small shows just to get his name out there, rather then use his boxing cred to fight a top fighter right off the bat.
     
  19. Turban Capote

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    I think Cintron would get tapped out by a blue belt.
     
  20. Jose Hernandez

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    I Think He Would Do Fine In Mma, He Should Have Good Take Down Defense, And How Knockout Power. Especially With Those Little Gloves
     

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