International [Chinese COVID Vaccines News] After Sowing Propaganda Against mRNA Tech, China Realize They Needs It

The results of this Chinese vaccine is all over the place:
- 86% UAE
- 91% Turkey
- 65% Indonesia
- 50.4% Brazil

Most likely a result of the sample group, elderly get a smaller immune response from vaccines due to weaker immune system, that's why a lot of countries are reserving the Pfizer vaccine for the elderly and medical staff.
 
$5 AstraZeneca for an averaged 70% protection is the clear way to go for Southeast Asia, South America, and Africa.

Yeah, that vaccine is certainly the best all around, in terms of cost and logistics.

Third world countries population are younger, here in Mexico billionaire Carlos Slim and its foundation made a deal with AstraZeneca to produce the vaccine as soon as possible, while Pfizer is being distributed by the government, its going to the medical staff first then im guessing the elderly.
 
Compared to Pfizer and Moderna? sure.

Compared to not getting any? nope, anything over 50% is good, and its quite likely that young people will get a strong immune response, its certainly not as good as Pfizer though.

More expensive and less efficient than Oxford, Pfizer and Moderna. For poor countries Oxford seems better. And soon we will have Johnson vaccine.

Sinovac costs $10, while Oxford $3
 
Most likely a result of the sample group, elderly get a smaller immune response from vaccines due to weaker immune system, that's why a lot of countries are reserving the Pfizer vaccine for the elderly and medical staff.

Nope, most of the people who tested the vaccine were hospital workers
 
More expensive and less efficient than Oxford, Pfizer and Moderna. For poor countries Oxford seems better. And soon we will have Johnson vaccine.

Sinovac costs $10, while Oxford $3

Sinovac is charging the Philippines $75, bro. For 50.4% efficacy.

For a moment there I really thought China gave Duterte a sweetheart deal for the vaccines, so his people chose to sat on Pfizer's paperworks and Singapore swoop in to take their place in line. After all, Philippines' Health Secretary Francisco Duque III said the only reason why he's taking his sweet time to get the contracts reviewed by multiple lawyers to make sure Pfizer's offer is not "disadvantageous to the government".

Then after the Philippines missed the Pfizer bus and put in the order for 25 Million of "acceptable" doses from Sinovac, I found out that Sinovac's offer is actually 66% more expensive than what Pfizer offered (3,629.50 Pesos vs. 2,379 Pesos, that's $75.50 vs $49.50), despite the sheer differences in proven effectiveness. How's that for advantageous! Or perhaps the "advantages" goes to certain politicians involved in the dealing? <Lmaoo>



Multiply that atrocious $26 Chinese premium by 25,000,000 doses and the extra cost of $650,000,000 would absolutely dwarf what other countries shelled out to buy ultra-low temp freezers ($5,000 to $15,000 each) to hold their Pfizer deliveries. In fact, that's enough to buy 130,000 small medical freezers or 43,000 large ones, enough to give each hospitals in the Philippines several thousands freezers.

This is both hilarious and sad at the same time, like the time Duterte chose the Chinese loan with 10x interest rates than what Japan offered. <45>

Oh well, there's always AstraZeneca, which should be approved early next year. 62% is still better than nothing, and 610 pesos is a hell lot less than 3,629.50.
 
Yeah, that vaccine is certainly the best all around, in terms of cost and logistics.

Third world countries population are younger, here in Mexico billionaire Carlos Slim and its foundation made a deal with AstraZeneca to produce the vaccine as soon as possible, while Pfizer is being distributed by the government, its going to the medical staff first then im guessing the elderly.

The best part about AstraZeneca is their non-profit model that allows other countries to license it and produce it at home for around $3. That's a God-sent to India, who have a billion people to take care of and most likely go bankrupt if they had to buy a billion doses of anything else.

I believe Argentina is manufacturing AstraZeneca for themselves as well as other Latin American countries who lacks vaccine-production capacity, Mexico is certainly in position to join in the effort as well.
 
Isnt it true for a lot of other vaccines? i read the phase 3 clinical trials of Pfizer and they got that rate based on people who got sick enough to get tested.
I don't think so, it was the case for Astrazeneca but not for the mRNA vaccines.
Even so, the rate for Coronavac would be 78%, if you consider people with symptoms.

The main problem, though, is the cost. It's not substantially cheaper than Astrazeneca.

https://fortune.com/2021/01/13/sinovac-vaccine-efficacy-rate-drop/

The researchers are trying to see the positive side. Brazil trials had medical workers and supposedly caught asymptomatic cases. Apparently the FDA trials didn't focus on asymptomatics.
However where is the data? Did them really test every asymptomatic case?
 
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China's Sinovac defends Covid-19 vaccine after disappointing Brazil data
PUBLISHED WED, JAN 13 2021​

China's Sinovac Biotech defended the safety and efficacy of its experimental Covid-19 vaccine on Wednesday, after researchers in Brazil released late-stage clinical data showing efficacy that was much lower than initially announced.

The vaccine was just 50.4% effective at preventing symptomatic infections in the Brazilian trial, including data on "very mild" cases, researchers said on Tuesday.

Last week, they said the vaccine, called CoronaVac, showed 78% efficacy against "mild-to-severe" cases.

The news prompted Malaysia and Singapore, which have purchase agreements with Sinovac, to say on Wednesday that they would seek more data from the Chinese firm on efficacy rates before they approved and bought supplies.

"These Phase III clinical trial results are sufficient to prove that CoronaVac vaccine's safety and effectiveness are good around the world," Sinovac Biotech Chairman Yin Weidong told a news conference.

Different countries used vaccines from the same batch in their trials, but the countries don't have identical testing protocols, he said.

Piecemeal disclosures from Sinovac's trials as well as those from studies of other Chinese vaccines have raised concerns that they are not subject to the same public scrutiny as U.S. and European alternatives.

The data from Brazil was released just as Indonesia rolled its vaccination campaign, with President Joko Widodo being the first to be inoculated with Sinovac's CoronaVac.

Malaysia said on Wednesday it would only go ahead with procurement if the vaccine satisfied the safety and efficacy standards of local regulators.

On Tuesday, Malaysia's Pharmaniaga Bhd signed a deal with Sinovac to purchase 14 million doses of CoronaVac and later to manufacture it domestically.

Singapore, the only high-income nation with which Sinovac has struck a deal, said it would go through official data when Sinovac releases it, rather than depending on efficacy reported so far, and then decide whether to approve it.

Thailand, which has ordered 2 million doses of CoronaVac said it was still on track to receive and administer the vaccine starting next month, but added it would ask for information directly from Sinovac.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/01/14...-vaccine-after-disappointing-brazil-data.html
 
Hey I think I just saw in our News Joko Wibodoh just got Vacinated and our local news anchor thank them for testing it for us lol.

Terima Kasih! Aku Cinta Namu Indonesia!

Yeah, gotta give the Indonesian government props for taking the same coin toss with their people here. I think in the near future we gonna be seeing a lot of scandalous news about the political elite taking the premium stuff while leaving the shit stuff to the common people.

Random trivia: Indonesia has the world's 4th largest population.

Indonesia starts mass COVID vaccinations over vast territory

By EDNA TARIGAN and VICTORIA MILKO | January 13, 2021​

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JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) — Indonesian President Joko Widodo received the first shot of a Chinese-made coronavirus vaccine Wednesday after the government authorized it for emergency use and began efforts to vaccinate millions of people across the vast archipelago in one of the world’s most populous countries.

Indonesia’s vaccination program is the first large-scale use outside of China of the Sinovac Biotech Ltd. vaccine. It poses massive challenges in a country whose thousands of islands stretch across an area about as wide as the continental United States and where transportation and infrastructure are limited in many places. Health officials have also noted it will be difficult to keep the vaccine at the required 36–46 degrees Fahrenheit (about 2-8 degrees Celsius) to maintain its safety and effectiveness.

After President Widodo, top military, police and medical officials also received shots, as did the secretary of the Indonesian Ulema Council, the clerical body that last week ruled the vaccine was halal, or acceptable for use under Islamic law.

A health care worker, businesspeople and a social media influencer also got the vaccine to encourage others to follow suit once it is available to them. Officials have said they will prioritize health care workers, civil servants and other at-risk populations, and the two-dose vaccine will be free for all Indonesian citizens.

“We need to do the vaccination to stop the chain spread of COVID-19 and give health protection to us and the safety to all Indonesian people. It will also help accelerate economic improvement,” Widodo said.

While the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has been greeted with much fanfare in the West, its relatively high price and requirement for ultra-cold storage mean that other shots, like Chinese, Russian and the AstraZeneca vaccines, are more likely to be distributed to much of the developing world, even as experts have said more data needs to be shared about the Chinese and Russian products.

Indonesia plans to vaccinate two-thirds of its population of about 270 million people — or just over 180 million people. That means it needs about 427 million shots, given the estimate that 15% may be wasted, Health Minister Budi Gunadi Sadikin said.

“This vaccine is the instrument we can use to protect us. But more importantly, the vaccine is the instrument to protect our family, our neighbor, Indonesian people and the human civilization,” Sadikin said on Wednesday.

He noted that given Indonesia’s enormous population — the world’s fourth largest — its vaccination program is key to worldwide efforts to protect enough people so that the global community reaches herd immunity.

But he cautioned that great obstacles remain.

“We know that the cold-chain distribution is not complete. This is the obstacle,” Sadikin said this week. “We are worried.”

The rollout comes as Indonesia registered the daily record in COVID-19 infections and fatalities on Wednesday, with 11,278 new cases and 306 new deaths reported in the last 24 hours. The country has recorded more than 858,000 infections and over 24,900 deaths.

Some scientists warn that not enough data has been published about the effectiveness or safety of the Sinovac vaccine — and there is uncertainty over just how protective it is. It has yet to be tested in tens of thousands of people in the kind of rigorous study considered necessary before being licensed for wide use.

Researchers in Brazil last week had pegged the vaccine as 78% effective at protecting against symptomatic illness — but this week, after a closer look at mild cases, they announced data showing overall, effectiveness is just over 50%.

“There’s no doubt” about the new calculations, said Dr. Denise Garrett of the Sabin Vaccine Institute, who is watching the Brazilian data. “That means if you vaccinate 100 people, 50 will be protected against the virus and 50 won’t.”

But she called it “meaningful” that those who fall ill despite vaccination should still be less likely to suffer serious symptoms.

Researchers in Turkey and Indonesia had announced the vaccine was more effective, but those studies were far too small to be conclusive, and scientists had been watching Brazil’s study of approximately 12,500 volunteers in hopes of more clarity. Global health authorities have said any vaccine that is at least 50% effective would be useful.

Besides Indonesia, China and Bolivia have granted conditional use authorization for the Sinovac vaccine. Several other countries have purchase agreements for millions of doses, including the Philippines, Singapore and Ukraine.

Chinese health officials have said that some 9 million vaccine doses have been administered in China, though the number of people who received the Sinovac shot itself has not been disclosed. China has several vaccines in development.

Indonesia received its first shipment of the Sinovac vaccines on Dec. 6 and began distributing the doses around the country while awaiting emergency use authorization. It was cleared for that use based on clinical trial data and after the Indonesian Ulema Council declared the vaccine halal.

https://apnews.com/article/asia-pac...-joko-widodo-3ff30c85dc6943e2a06db470a9d04931
 
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Probably because many people understand that our government is bad and does not have our best interests in mind, ergo it's completely logical to treat anything they are pushing with heavy skepticism.
This. Everything else our governments do is in the interests of the wealthiest people in the world. How many wars based on manufactured lies have to happen before people wake up? Media and governments are easily bought. It's a funny coincidence that this pandemic (which is oddly so similar to the annual flu) again made the wealthiest people in the world richer at our expense.
 
Some reasons for the comparatively lower efficacy of the Chinese vaccine are that it uses inactivated virus, which traditionally provide a less strong immune response; also the Brazil trial sampled healthcare workers who would be expected to be exposed to higher levels of virus than members of the public; apparantly, the dose interval in that trial was only 2 weeks -suggested to be insufficent time for participants to reach peak immunity.

[China COVID vaccine reports mixed results — what does that mean for the pandemic?]
 
This. Everything else our governments do is in the interests of the wealthiest people in the world. How many wars based on manufactured lies have to happen before people wake up? Media and governments are easily bought. It's a funny coincidence that this pandemic (which is oddly so similar to the annual flu) again made the wealthiest people in the world richer at our expense.

People in the field of science are easily bought too. That's why I roll my eyes when these idiots talk about science denial and shit like that.
 
People in the field of science are easily bought too. That's why I roll my eyes when these idiots talk about science denial and shit like that.
Fact. They say listen to the scientists but only the scientists that support their argument while other scientists who oppose it get 'cancelled'. Propaganda has went into overdrive this past year.
 
In case anyone was wondering why Sinovac didn’t want the results published
 
China to donate 500,000 vaccine doses to Philippines
By Janvic Mateo | January 17, 2021

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MANILA, Philippines — The Chinese government has committed to donate 500,000 doses of vaccines for COVID-19, the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) announced yesterday.

Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi informed Foreign Affairs Secretary Teodoro Locsin Jr. of the Chinese government’s intention during their bilateral talks in Taguig yesterday, the DFA said in a statement.

No additional details were provided, such as the brand of the vaccine to be donated.


The Philippine government had earlier announced that it secured 25 million doses of Sinovac from China to be delivered in batches starting next month.

Sinovac and the other Chinese vaccine, Sinopharm, have yet to secure emergency use authority in the country.


According to DFA, China’s intention to donate the 500,000 doses of vaccines is in keeping with the commitment made by Chinese President Xi Jinping to President Duterte.

The DFA said the two ministers continued discussions on cooperation to address the pandemic in terms of containment, vaccines and economic revitalization.

Wang and Locsin also committed to step-up collaboration on infrastructure projects under the Build, Build, Build program.

They also “confirmed that differences on contentious maritime issues do not represent the entirety of the Philippines-China bilateral relationship.”

“Both sides renewed their commitment to mutual respect, managing issues peacefully and in accordance with international law, and exploring areas for possible cooperation,” the DFA said.

Strong Philippines, China ties
Meanwhile, the strong relationship between the Philippines and China has withstood the test of the coronavirus pandemic, Wang said.

“I think it’s fair to say that the China-Philippines relations have withstood the test of the pandemic and learning this process, our friendship has been further deepened,” he said in Mandarin.

“As you said, COVID response and economic recovery will be the top two priorities for both of our countries. So we would like to suggest that our two countries work together – focusing on COVID response and mutually beneficial cooperation and a sustained and new momentum to our relationship,” he told Locsin.

The visiting foreign minister also pointed out the need to “shelve differences and build common ground” and work closely together to achieve more fruitful outcomes for the two countries’ comprehensive strategic and cooperative relationship.

In his statement, Locsin noted how the close cooperation between the Philippines and China in addressing the impact of the pandemic has strengthened the overall ties between the two countries.

He underscored China’s significance to the Philippines, describing its ties with Beijing as “among our most important bilateral relationships.”

“We are elated that despite the challenges of the pandemic, our high-level engagements have stayed on track,” said Locsin. “Our close cooperation to beat COVID-19 has only further enhanced our overall ties and deepened our friendship.”

Despite the scale of the impact of the pandemic worldwide, the foreign affairs chief noted how the two countries’ robust and responsive comprehensive strategic cooperation has bore fruit.

“Under the guiding hand of our two presidents – whose personal friendship reflects our close national bonds – our engagements in all levels have resumed and our collaboration on priority economic and infrastructure projects is ongoing,” he added.

Locsin noted China’s position as the Philippines’ top trading partner in the past four years, as well as a leading source for investments, official development assistance and tourism.

“Mutual support and growing trust characterize our ties more than ever. For the Philippines has risen in China’s defense and brought along the rest of the region in that action,” he added.

On regional stability and security, Locsin said, “It behooves us to show our ability to rise to the challenge of managing differences peacefully and in accordance with law, while making headway towards trust-building and practical concrete mutually beneficial cooperation.”

Wang arrived Friday for his third official visit to the Philippines, which the DFA said was a reciprocation of Locsin’s visit to China last October.

“Together with their virtual meeting in July last year, the State Councilor’s visit attests to the sustained high-level engagement of the two countries. It also symbolizes the determination and steady progress of both sides toward gradually re-opening their societies and economies,” the DFA added.

Locsin and Wang had a closed-door meeting yesterday “to consider ways to accelerate mutually beneficial cooperation, particularly in the priority areas of trade and investments, infrastructure development and addressing the pandemic.”

Wang also joined the signing ceremony of the Philippines-China agreement on economic and technical cooperation, as well as the ceremonial launch of the RMB (renminbi) clearing facility of the Bank of China.

According to the DFA, the agreement involves a grant of 500 million Chinese yuan (around P3.72 billion) for livelihood, infrastructure facilities, feasibility studies for major projects and other projects to be mutually agreed upon by the two governments.

“This is the seventh such grant provision to the Philippines by China since 2016. This brings the cumulative grant resources received from the Chinese government to a total of 3.25 billion Chinese yuan, or approximately P24.16 billion,” the DFA said.

Also yesterday, the Chinese embassy said the two countries signed a commercial contract for the Subic-Clark railway project.

It said China financed the railway project worth approximately $940 million, so far the highest funded government-to-government cooperation project between China and the Philippines.

The project will connect Subic Bay Freeport Zone and Clark International Airport and link it to the North Railway Project of the Department of Transportation, said the embassy.

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2021/01/17/2071001/china-donate-500000-vaccine-doses-philippines
 
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