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International Chinese COVID Vaccines: Brazil's Trial Results Show $75 Sinovac Only 50.4% Effective.

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  1. ShinkanPo Steel Belt Platinum Member

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    Yes the cooling requirements will pose a problem in rural areas this is why I think Moderna is better.

    In sone areas medical fascilities are primitive there might not be enough freezers in town.

    But then again the more isolated those communities the less they will be at risk from Covid.
     
  2. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    China's Sinopharm says its coronavirus vaccine is 79% effective
    By Nectar Gan, CNN | December 30, 2020​

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/30/asia/china-sinopharm-vaccine-efficacy-intl-hnk/index.html
     
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  3. BlacknBlue Green Belt

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    Very confusing results overall for Sinopharm. I would be interested to hear more about their Brazil trial. When we read "between 50% to 90% efficacy", that certainly raises more questions and concerns. I guess Astrazeneca went forward after a similar headline, which provides cover for Sinopharm to move forward despite the seemingly odd data from Brazil.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...fective-seeks-approval-in-china-idUSKBN2940C8
     
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  4. Cuauhtemoc Silver Belt

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    Yeah, pretty much, and moreover even if there are isolated clusters of people you do not need to vaccinate everybody to end an epidemic.
    Even in places like Congo or CAR, if you're able to vaccinate people that live in your capital and main cities you will have a huge improvement as these are not only the majority of the population in some cases but they're the ones most likely to transmit the disease in the first place.
    I don't remember the exact numbers but in an average population every 10% or so of the population that gets immune reduces the R0/Re by some number, however, that number might be much higher if you are able to focus on certain people, such as people that work on healthcare or so called essential services as these are the ones that catch and spread the virus the most.
     
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    The news is about Sinopharm, the tests in Brazil are with Sinovac. A little confusing.
     
  6. John Black Orange Belt

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    Why all vaccines are being tested in Brazil?
     
  7. BlacknBlue Green Belt

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    You are correct! It appears I was lumping those 2 together without even thinking about it. Thanks for the heads up.
     
  8. ShinkanPo Steel Belt Platinum Member

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    Because Biotech is Godzila..




    Sepultura knows whats up years ago.
     
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  9. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    A vaccine has to be proven during Phase 3 clinical trial that it works with a multitude of people, especially from the continents where it will be used.

    Here's a handy tracker to see how and where each vaccines are being tested:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

    Brazil's large and diverse population represents the South American demographics.
     
  10. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    LOL!!! What in the world...


    Sinopharm vaccines used by Duterte’s security detail were smuggled
    By Bella Perez-Rubio | December 30, 2020​

    MANILA, Philippines — Amid continued uproar over the unauthorized inoculation of the president's top men, National Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana on Thursday confirmed that the COVID-19 vaccines used by the Presidential Security Group entered the country illegally.

    "Yes, it’s smuggled," Lorenzana told ABS-CBN, referring to the Sinopharm vaccines used by the PSG, during a ceremony held in commemoration of Rizal Day.

    "Because its not authorized to enter here. Only the government can authorize that through the [Food and Drug Administration],” he further explained.

    'I don't know'
    While Lorenzana knows the vaccines were smuggled, he copped to not knowing much else.

    "As far as we knew then, the rumor spreading was that PSG had already been vaccinated. Who authorized it, we did not ask. It is only now that those facts are coming out that the vaccine is not yet authorized in the Philippines," he said in Filipino.

    No coronavirus vaccine has been approved by the country's FDA — any inoculation effort thus far would have made use of an unauthorized vaccine. It is unclear if Lorenzana knows this.

    In keeping with every single official questioned over the matter, Lorenzana maintained that he also did not know who gave the Sinopharm doses to the government.

    Despite his position as defense secretary, he was also unwilling to weigh in on the PSG's invocation of its duty to defend the president to justify its bypassing of the law. "I don't know the answer to that," he said in Filipino when asked about the matter.

    Illegal but 'justified'?

    When asked if he would take action on the matter as defense secretary, Lorenzana implied that he would not be doing much at all. "PSG just really need to explain why they did that. It is justified. Anyway, the vaccine is not fake, it is real," he said.

    Again, it is unclear why Lorenzana made this pronouncement regarding the Sinopharm vaccine. While it has received authorization for emergency use in some countries including the United Arab Emirates, Argentina and Morocco, the Peruvian government suspended its own trials citing a “serious adverse event” which occurred among the volunteers of its study. In addition to this, the Philippines has not conducted its own trials for the Sinopharm jabs and is not expected to receive any vaccines at all until March 2021.

    "Maybe explain that to the FDA because they violated the FDA rules," the defense chief said in Filipino. FDA chief Eric Domingo said the move was done without consulting them or the health department, and even Secretary Francisco Duque III was surprised to find about the development.

    Bureau of Customs spokesperson Vincent Maronilla said no communications were made to them that vaccines would be transported inside borders but stopped short of calling them smuggled, citing a lack of details. But, he recognized that if the items were misdeclared, it would be tantamount to technical smuggling — or, as defined by law in the Philippines, importing goods through "fraudulent, falsified or erroneous declarations."

    Adding to public confusion, Brig. Gen. Jesus P. Durante, PSG commander, during an interview with ANC's "Headstart" on Thursday refused to reveal exactly how many members of the president's security detail have been inoculated. He also refused to reveal if he was among those who received the unregulated vaccine.

    Immediately following Lorenzana's acknowledgement of the smuggling of the Sinopharm vaccines into the country, Sen. Francis Pangilinan slammed it as a continued consequence of what he called the lack of a coherent and equitable game plan on the control and management of the disease.

    "It is unfortunate that even though there is vaccine czar [Carlito] Galvez who I believe is capable and should be in charge of the vaccine rollout, officials are still acting individually and have conflicting explanations on legality," he said in Filipino.

    "We cannot do this individually. The lives of millions of our countrymen are at stake. The livelihoods of millions of our hungry countrymen also depend on economic recovery which depends on the proper implementation of the vaccine rollout nationwide. We can't make

    https://www.philstar.com/headlines/...d-dutertes-security-detail-were-smuggled/amp/
     
  11. MicroBrew Titanium Belt

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    Does anyone actually trust a Chinese vaccine to be as effective as it is claimed and the stated side effects?

    The Chinese government wants to be be seen as the world's savior, so they will make all kinds of claims for their vaccine.
     
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  12. Rocco Siffredi Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Is this really the only two options?
     
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    Mate, did you name yourself after a pornstar?
     
  14. Rocco Siffredi Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    LOL, I almost spit my iced coffee all over myself. Let's just say this name spoke to me.
     
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    I admire the bravery.
     
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    Ha, look, I have been trying to live up to the name. Tis a heavy responsibility. "With a porn star names comes great responsibility."
     
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  17. Nikolai Vsevolodovich White Belt

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    what the hell did you even just try to say? get it together bud
     
  18. ShinkanPo Steel Belt Platinum Member

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    Yeah un believable statement from the defense secretary they say it was smugled..

    1.By whom? I Chinese syndicate? But why would they then administer it to the Presidential guard and military?

    2.They the militar smugled it from China so they can bipass all regulations etc.


    3.Coordinated with Chinese embassy and China gave it for free but they decided to bypass all legal procedures because they are in a panic due to thr new surge and they fear if Dear leader gets the Covids its game over.
    This is the most plausible explanation.



    4.This not true no one got Vaccinated it is just noise created by the administration to push the China vaccine so they can tell the people "see its safe Dutertets Security team did not die or shrunk!"
     
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  19. Day Drinking Green Belt

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    I would assume the 3rd. Probably by a diplomat, typically they are not searched at all.
     
  20. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    No Papers, No Orders:
    Agencies left in the dark over government's illegal Sinopharm vaccination mess

    https://www.philstar.com/headlines/...eft-dark-over-sinopharm-vaccination-mess/amp/
     
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