China's Domestic Aircraft Carrier.

[Rational Poster]

I picked 1979 because that is when what we know of today as Mujihadeen and what would be the Taliban started.

If you put the cut off as 1965 or something, yeah, you would be right then.

The US Military hasn't disbanded. They're still around. They have access to all the experience and talent for it's entire history.

Not saying the Mujahideen aren't an effective force, but the idea that they're more effective than the US military isn't true.

 

[GSP_37]

Nice ski jump - looks like they're preparing for the next winter Olympics too.

Oh - and they're going to build 6 within the next 9 years? Riiiiiight.

I saw a TV special on Military Channel and UK's modern aircraft carrier also has a ski jump.

 

[aus101]

How long before we have miniature drone subs that could swarm and sink a floating target like that? Aircraft carriers were cutting edge in the 1940s after all.

 

[GhostZ06]

I've been aware of China constructing their own carrier for a while but I still find it interesting how rapidly they're catching up. I know a lot of Americans have a sort of derp derp opinion on this thinking China will never catch up to the US. This is nonsense. Look at China's actions today in the south china sea. Just imagine the moves they'll make when they have 6 functioning carrier groups.

"Moreover, China’s second locally designed and built aircraft carrier is under construction in secret in a shipyard near Shanghai. The Chinese Navy’s plan of deploying 6 aircraft carriers including 2 nuclear-powered ones by 2025 is not an empty boast."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/asiatoday/china-likely-to-become-ai_b_11164324.html

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...h-chinese-j-15-carrier-jet-puts-question-mark

there jet engines are fucking awful...


also its most likely gonna be another
Liaoning aka another
kuznetsov-class

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

How will they make up for decades of active combat experience?

They will not engage the US in a carrier vs carrier fight, it makes no sense. Both the US and China have an enormous arsenal of anti ship missiles that would sink any carrier too close to land.

They will develop combat experience against small asian countries in the future, just like the US does against ME countries. I'd expect fights against Vietnam mostly.

 

[Orgasmo]

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...h-chinese-j-15-carrier-jet-puts-question-mark

there jet engines are fucking awful...


also its most likely gonna be another
Liaoning aka another
kuznetsov-class

It looks like it was a failure of the flight control system on J-15 rather than the engine. It's actually smart of them to construct their first domestic carrier by improving on an existing design rather than go for something new. All they need to do is have two sets of crews for the Liaoning and place the spare set on to the new ship to get it operational as quickly as possible.

Even with decades of operating carriers, the move from Nimitz class to Ford Class for Murica has been plagued by problems. It's a risk you take with new designs and technologies. A similar design will reduce that impact.

How long before we have miniature drone subs that could swarm and sink a floating target like that? Aircraft carriers were cutting edge in the 1940s after all.

They had an idea of developing UCAV to attack naval and land targets beyond the range of enemy missiles. I don't know how that is progressing, but a swarm of drones launching smart munitions from a stand-off distance would easily overwhelm a fleet's air defence.

 

[loyalyolayal]

Nice ski jump - looks like they're preparing for the next winter Olympics too.

Oh - and they're going to build 6 within the next 9 years? Riiiiiight.

That's the old ukrainian carrier that the chinese bought.

 

[GhostZ06]

It looks like it was a failure of the flight control system on J-15 rather than the engine. It's actually smart of them to construct their first domestic carrier by improving on an existing design rather than go for something new. All they need to do is have two sets of crews for the Liaoning and place the spare set on to the new ship to get it operational as quickly as possible.

Even with decades of operating carriers, the move from Nimitz class to Ford Class for Murica has been plagued by problems. It's a risk you take with new designs and technologies. A similar design will reduce that impact.


They had an idea of developing UCAV to attack naval and land targets beyond the range of enemy missiles. I don't know how that is progressing, but a swarm of drones launching smart munitions from a stand-off distance would easily overwhelm a fleet's air defence.

well to be fair it is a new design and it's been a awhile since we made a new carrier aircraft

 

[Orgasmo]

well to be fair it is a new design and it's been a awhile since we made a new carrier aircraft

The last Nimitz class (USS HW Bush) was completed in 2009, just a few years back. I think the problem with Gerald Ford class is that they are incorporating too many new toys, rather than follow a evolutionary path.

 

[GhostZ06]

The last Nimitz class (USS HW Bush) was completed in 2009, just a few years back. I think the problem with Gerald Ford class is that they are incorporating too many new toys, rather than follow a evolutionary path.

i think the problem is around the new catapults system. It's suppose to use a new type of reactor and have DI weapons, oh and a revolutionary radar system...



ok yeah we do have a lot of new toys on it.

 

[SwamiLeoni]

Training and the right equipment are 99% of it buddy.

I don't think you know the difference between training and experience...at all. What you're saying is that I could have trained my whole life in my wrestling room never entering 1 tournament, show up to the Olympic Trials and make the team. That is basically what you're saying.

Let's take your training though, wouldn't you agree that training partners are what make you better? Who does China train with other than the country above them who actually hates them? The west as a collective has much more experience in modern combat and often train together. Let's also not forget the alliances made. Although we don't share our Top Secret tech, we share enough to better protect ourselves. Where does China get their tech if they're not stealing it? From Russia? From Iran? Come on.

 

[lifelessheap]

Remember how many U-boats the Germans built in a short time period?

The US could build tanks faster than the Germans and Japanese could build guns in WW2.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

The US could build tanks faster than the Germans and Japanese could build guns in WW2.

The US built tanks faster than the germans largely due to the Panzers being over engineered.

 

[lifelessheap]

The US built tanks faster than the germans largely due to the Panzers being over engineered.

The US could build more tanks per day then the Germans could build machine guns.

We are talking about tanks vs machine guns.

67,000 pounds vs 25 pounds.

 

[GhostZ06]

The US built tanks faster than the germans largely due to the Panzers being over engineered.

there was more to it then that, germany also had awful logistics issues and had a lot of delays. The panther and the tigers would have made it out faster if hitler didnt apoint retards

 

[GhostZ06]

The US built tanks faster than the germans largely due to the Panzers being over engineered.

either way, ski jumps are kind of shit this day an age. funny thing is, only the US and French use catapult systems.

 

[Boagrius]

China will move to control the resources of Africa.

China has a very long way to go before they could provide the USN with much more than a speed bump so far from their home turf. The carrier they have now scarcely compares to any of the USN's nuke powered flat tops in capability terms. Hell, one of the Marines' LHD's are arguably just as/more capable power projection ships than anything the Chinese have or are likely to have in their fleet for the next little while. They are making significant strides with the quality of their escort vessels, but the threat they pose to the USN in the Pacific comes from the fact that so much of their land based air power and missile capability (SRBMs/IRBMs/AShMs) can be unleashed in that theatre. Africa is an entirely different story. Will be interesting to see where the PLAN's power projection/blue water capability sits in 30+ years though.